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LaTigresse -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/20/2008 10:35:57 AM)

As others have said.......it comes with time and getting to know one another.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/20/2008 10:39:10 AM)

Pay their bills on time, show up on time, say no when they can't, yes when they can, follow through, and most importantly, own their mistakes.

THAT is what real trust is built on.




SailingBum -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/20/2008 11:51:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

Badone: very fun, hoods run 4-500 bucks for good ones and if you are going to do it to your girl dont leave her alone, even if you want to make her think that you are, freak outs can come on suddenly and thrashing can make you hurt your self badly.

if a freak out occurs, stay calm and in a very stern voice tell them you will NOT cut a 400 dollar hood off them, , slap them if that is part of your dynamic, but dont panic, that will only exacerbate their panic...


Thanks for the tips.




OnyxDelphi -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/20/2008 11:54:20 AM)

Thank you all so very much for your awseome advice.

However, I do want to say, that "trust" in and of itself is not a problem for me. I'm very patient and logical, so no wories there.

What I'm looking for are scene suggestions in which the "gaining of trust" would be an added bonus.




Skully7000 -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/20/2008 12:19:58 PM)

 
if its a new play partner. I often start by Talking/walking them through everything I am doing. I add in anything i notice. Precautions I'm taking considerations that I'm making based on that particular person as an individual.

it has worked wonders to put the sub at ease helping me get them into Subspace quite quickly. bare in mind almost of these scenes involved me performing some form of Rope bondage so that gives me some time before I start any hitting or anything.
usually after all the rope is in place a quick jerk around a bit keeping them just barely off balance... it starts taking me out of my nurturing nature and brings out the devilish/sadistic/playful side. 

but the point being that I ease them into the scene with reassurance of facts not just "its going to be ok" "you can trust me" 
"I'm going to tie you this way because you obviously work out alot and if i put your arms back in this position you might wind up loosing circulation and I don't want to end the scene early for something that could be so easily fixed"  works much better for me.
Cheers
Skully




crouchingtigress -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/20/2008 12:31:37 PM)

I feel you were very clear that you wnted techniques and folks ignored that

I also think blades inspire trust ESP if the sub can watch

Intergation scenes seem to activate the primal need to trust in me but I always trust the person I do that with a lot first

Isolation goes both ways for me

Any time I am brought tears. That symbolizes huge trust for me
Animal play and age play also are yummy for developing trust




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/20/2008 12:54:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress
I feel you were very clear that you wnted techniques and folks ignored that

No, I just know what works and what doesn't.  Building trust in a scene doesn't help build trust in a relationship. 

There can be great moments in a scene where you reflect and go "Wow, we really are there baby" but I've never known that to happen through planning- it's always a spontaneous reflection on what IS between those involved.




TracyTaken -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/20/2008 12:59:35 PM)

Take a ropes course together (the vanilla kind).  :)
It's a lot of fun!

That kind of team building activity is going to build trust - the Adventure Bound kinds of stuff.  And, did I mention that it's really, really fun?  [:)]




Noah -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/20/2008 4:27:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OnyxDelphi

So, you have a sub/slave and you want to do scenes or give them orders/tasks that will help develop her/his trust (and reliance) in (on) you.

What would be some things you would do?

I heard of an interesting thing on CM a long time ago about you could as blindfold them for a day and have them rely on you to guide them, therefore planting the seed of trust.

-Master Fiik


Introduce her to some wonderful, formidable, good-hearted people who have been your friends for many years. Let her get to know these people and let them to get to know her.

Help her investigate aspects of herself or the world which she may view as currently out of reach (which have nothing to do with kink.) And let her help you in similar ways.





laurell3 -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/20/2008 4:30:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OnyxDelphi

Thank you all so very much for your awseome advice.

However, I do want to say, that "trust" in and of itself is not a problem for me. I'm very patient and logical, so no wories there.

What I'm looking for are scene suggestions in which the "gaining of trust" would be an added bonus.


Well for any scene trust would be bonus of course.  This question is very much like all your other questions on punishment.  You seek an answer you will not get here and don't listen when the overwhelming response isn't what you want to hear.  You can't build trust with a scene.  You build trust by being trustworthy, period.  There are no gimmicks or shortcuts to human emotions.




breatheasone -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/20/2008 4:58:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OnyxDelphi

So, you have a sub/slave and you want to do scenes or give them orders/tasks that will help develop her/his trust (and reliance) in (on) you.

What would be some things you would do?

I heard of an interesting thing on CM a long time ago about you could as blindfold them for a day and have them rely on you to guide them, therefore planting the seed of trust.

-Master Fiik

My Master plans on blind folding me for a whole day and night in the not too distant future...I am looking forward to the opportunity to grow with Him. It seems most things He and I do together brings Us something more than We had before.




Aswad -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/20/2008 5:05:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OnyxDelphi

What would be some things you would do?


I would be trustworthy. Does this really need to be more complicated than that?

If you want to be trusted, be someone she can trust.

Health,
al-Aswad.




quinnny -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/20/2008 5:21:52 PM)

Try stopping before you get to the edge of the cliff.

The alternatives tend to be messy...and don't seem to engender trust for some strange reason.






MaamJay -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/21/2008 1:34:39 AM)

I really think the problem here stems from how people are reading the OP. To Me, it pretty clearly refers to trust in the sense of reliance, not overall trust in the person in terms of the relationship. The OP has said several times that He understands that r'ship trust cannot be rushed. However, having a sub truly rely on you for something ... being made to feel entirely vulnerable ... is a different thing. Many subs here say how self-reliant they can be ... and that's fine in everyday life. But sometimes a Dominant wants to give them the experience of being entirely vulnerable, of having to totally rely on the Dominant.

For that kind of experience, some of the trust and team-building exercises used in the vanilla world can be very helpful. i have a problem with heights, especially with swaying bridges. The only way Master could get me out onto one river bridge to see the view was to blindfold me and lead me out there on my collar and leash. Not only did i feel entirely safe (i already had a lot of personal trust in Him), i enjoyed the view ... and wow, it was hot and exciting! Best thing was, when some general public looked at Us a bit curiously, He just said "It's a trust exercise" and no one batted an eyelid! i was all for repeating it saying i needed more practise LOL ... but He said i was just cashing in [;)]

Blindfold walks are a good way of experiencing reliance. There are many variations on this theme, from being guided by a sighted partner verbally, perhaps pretending to walk through a "mine field" made up of scattered (soft!) objects, to being physically maneouvred in total silence to being guided only by a pre-determined pressure code of their fingers on your hand. Having once had a dog go blind (and he was amazingly smart, (taught himself the meaning of left, right, turn around, wrong way, stop and TREE!) and trusting he would dash round the park in a full run!) ... I was upset with My then hsub who was getting nastily impatient with him. So I took him (the hsub that is!) to a play party ... before he went in (very familiar venue and crowd) I blindfolded him. Then once inside I announced to all that he was going to be blindfolded for the night, so please give him whatever help they deemed appropriate. Well ... they were all so helpful they all began yelling at once LOL ... and boy, did hsub get pissed off. By the end of the night he was MEGA pissed off as it had severely curtailed his usual socialite (he was a CD ... Stand & Model type) activities. It wasn't till I got him home that I released the blindfold and pointed to Raffy the dog ... who had, as usual, found his way to the door to greet Us with happy smile and wagging tail. Boy was THAT a lesson! He complained bitterly that I should have told him before what My intention was, but I truly don't think it would have been anywhere near as effective if I had done so. And besides, it gave him lots of opportunity to get all his malicious thoughts about Me over and done with in one night LOL! I know what he was thinking ... I heard him muttering "fucking evil Bitch" under his breath when I was closer to him than he knew LOL! In that session I wasn't looking for him to build his reliance on Me of course ... I DID want him to experience the vulnerability and frustration of blindness. However, as a side effect, when debriefing later, he commented that he also learned a lot about who in the crowd to trust and who not to trust LOL! Some deliberately gave him a bum steer it seems ... oh those wicked sadists!

Another reliance-building experience is being in bondage comfortable enough to sustain over a long period, being given plenty of water to drink, then needing to pee and being told you won't be released but your everso kind sadist will bring you a bowl or a bucket! But I don't think you'll find that on a vanilla trust-building website [:D]

Maam Jay aka violet[A]




SubmissiveAK -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/21/2008 2:05:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OnyxDelphi

I heard of an interesting thing on CM a long time ago about you could as blindfold them for a day and have them rely on you to guide them, therefore planting the seed of trust.

-Master Fiik


Variation: Mock it up like they just had eye surgery (bandages, medical tape) and then you can take em out shopping for grocieries/whatever. Even go grab a bite to eat!

Maybe its too close to public humiliation for a early trust building excercise... but you can never build too much trust IMO

~submissiveAK~

P.S> and crouchingtigress... wow [:D]




Skully7000 -> RE: Trust Techniques (2/24/2008 7:27:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bound2One

I know you are looking for techniques, but one thing I wanted to point out as a slave is that no matter what activity you use to instill trust and confidence in her, it is very important for you to follow-through with your words and actions.  Stick to your word no matter what, so she will learn to have strong faith that you do what you say.  Let her learn to rely on you through your actions. 

Good luck!


i believe the word you are looking for is "integrity"




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