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ranrich -> RE: Sounds and Electricity (2/22/2008 12:57:57 PM)

Some good info here along with lots of ignorance. There are many of us out here who play all the time with e-stim, using units based on tens technology but much more sophiticated and powerful. If you want to know about how to have fun and do it safely go to SmartStim.com, sign up free and learn, Photos, videos and much technical advice. Many are into it for self enjoyment and others for BDSM. Beware or you might get hooked on e-stim.




MstrssScarlet -> RE: Sounds and Electricity (2/22/2008 2:58:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

I'll reiterate....that Hotch IS spot on! 
 
First of all, he’s correct in saying a TENS unit can be played safely above the waist…but knowledge as to HOW is important!  IE:  do not cross leads from one line across the midline.  You’d need a two-line unit (or two unites) to ‘do’ each nipple.

Secondly, what Hotch says about how electricity is conducted by the body is on the money.  If you do not understand these things…find someone who does and work with them a while first.

A lot of lube is a good idea and as someone mentioned…just let it slide; never ever, ever ever, push a sound into place!
 
And have fun!   <weg>
MsB


Actually MsBearlee, I was the one who said a tens unit is safe above the waist.  I worked for 2 years for a physical therapist and have been in physical therapy myself for even longer than that.  It can be used on the neck, shoulders, and back with no problem.  I do this to myself on a regular basis as this is what it was prescribed for.  I also said that plain common sense should rule here when considering placing it over the heart.  There are no muscles there that I know of that would even be helped by a tens unit, so there's no reason to put the heart at risk either in therapy or play.  A lot of people over react when you start talking about electricity.  Most people out there would never come close to the heart with a violet wand either, but it's only static electricity that travels across the surface of the skin.  Again, use common sense.  Why would you want to run it across someone's chest when there are so many other places to try?
I'm not ignorant when it comes to electricity.  I simply had never tried this particular configuration before.  I still stand by what I said about the tens unit not needing to be grounded.  The electricity goes up one side of the lead and down through the other.  Hence, the "path" some referred to.  Whether you or your sub are grounded does not affect how it works.  In fact, I walk around with one clipped to my belt all the time.  I did realize, though, what you were talking about when you explained why it would not work if both ends of the lead are next to each other at the end of the sound.  Just needed someone else's perspective to point out my error.  Hence, my post.
The violet wand is totally different, especially the way I like to use it.   Mine has an attachment where I become the ground and this is when I pull out the metal 'claws' that I love so much.  However, if I accidentally touch part of my body with the lead, I'm the one who will get the shock, or sometimes just share it with the sub.  Not the result I'm looking for.
If you go back and read my posts, I specifically said I let the sound "drop" into place.  When inserting sounds, I hold the penis upright with one hand and slide the lubed sound into the urethreal opening with the other.  I then allow it to drop down with the aid of gravity into the ureathrea until it reaches the point where I want it to stop.  I NEVER push it at any time.
As it happens, I own a metal butt plug and I'm thinking that would be a great place to put that second lead the next time.
Mistress Scarlet




Hotch -> RE: Sounds and Electricity (2/22/2008 3:20:37 PM)

Actually MstrssScarlet, what you said was "Tens units are perfectly safe to use above the waist.” which may imply that precautions are not required to someone who is not familar.  AND being that an uniformed person might take that to mean connecting nipple clamps in a manor that passes current through the chest is safe, I felt your statement need to be corrected.

I'm not going to get deeper into the "grounded" issue, because it's irrelevant for this conversation and doesn't do anything to further the application or safety of using an e-stim unit.

As far as qualification to discuss this subject, I'm a trained and licensed aviation electronics technician, so, yes; I could discuss the operation of an e-stim unit in theory to the component level.  I do not however have any training in the physiological effects of electricity on the body other then basic electrical safety and what I've read online to reassure myself I’m not doing anything dangerous.  In other words, what could cause heart arrhythmia, surface skin burns, deep tissue burns.




MsBearlee -> RE: Sounds and Electricity (2/22/2008 3:38:20 PM)

 
Thank you Hotch...
 
B




MstrssScarlet -> RE: Sounds and Electricity (2/22/2008 3:57:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: refplace

Hey there Mistress Scarlet. Long time no see.
Yep the error in placement was the short path didnt go through the body. So while you do have some electricity going through alternate paths its draaically lower and thus harder to feel.

Placiing the other electrode on a penile ring, patch on the body near the scrotium or even better an anal plug would al work better.
An anal plug and a sound will send the current through the prostrate which is one of the best arrangements for a male to experiance.

All medical sounds are conductive enough. In fact I use medical tools myself with electricty, though I dont insert sounds.
However I know a few personally who do use sounds and there very happy for the most part.
And yeah that wand wont likely be something he would think of as fun :) On the other hand it is spread out over a decent surface area but its a very sensitive area and the spark be good.

Oh and Kat I have some similar niple clamps, though there broken I canalways fix them for you :)


Thanks for the info refplace.  This is exactly the sort of stuff I was looking for.  Definitely time to pull out that metal butt plug!!
Mistress Scarlet




refplace -> RE: Sounds and Electricity (2/22/2008 8:56:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MstrssScarlet

Thanks for the info refplace. This is exactly the sort of stuff I was looking for. Definitely time to pull out that metal butt plug!!
Mistress Scarlet


Quite welcome.
One more thng you mentioned how you use a wand. You might already have tried this but just in case you havent here it is.
I picked this up a few years back from a Domme in Dallas. Never had thought of it myself and it illistrates how imprtant perspective can be. But use the attachment to the bottom. Then you can play with them but dont get zapped if you bump something or dont pick up an instrument quckly enough. Also others can play with your botom and you can zap lots of them with more surprises.

Rory




MstrssScarlet -> RE: Sounds and Electricity (2/22/2008 10:53:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: refplace

quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrssScarlet

Thanks for the info refplace. This is exactly the sort of stuff I was looking for. Definitely time to pull out that metal butt plug!!
Mistress Scarlet


Quite welcome.
One more thng you mentioned how you use a wand. You might already have tried this but just in case you havent here it is.
I picked this up a few years back from a Domme in Dallas. Never had thought of it myself and it illistrates how imprtant perspective can be. But use the attachment to the bottom. Then you can play with them but dont get zapped if you bump something or dont pick up an instrument quckly enough. Also others can play with your botom and you can zap lots of them with more surprises.

Rory


You know, other people have suggested that to me and I've seen other people do it with their subs.  Some of them actually make the sub hold the end in their hand.  For some reason, I've never done it.  Not sure why - probably just developed the habit and stayed with it.  It IS much more functional to do it the way you describe though.
A very experienced dom friend of mine used to tell an amusing story about that.  He was fairly new to the violet wand and without thinking, he stuck it in his pocket while choosing his next weapon of choice.  It took two or three good zaps before he realized what he had done.  By then I think they were probably laughing too hard to finish.  LOL  Oh the pain......
Mistress Scarlet




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