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RE: Student group wants more guns on campus - 2/17/2008 3:06:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

      Legal guns make bad guys think twice.


Thats what convicted armed prisoners say.






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RE: Student group wants more guns on campus - 2/17/2008 3:12:23 PM   
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so someone from this gun culture society of our sees more guns on campus as  a valid response to another gun related tragedy.Why am i not surprised, my only son attends college in new york a state that thankfully has responsible gun laws,now if we could only get the illegal guns that are brought in from other states with more liberal(crazy?) laws see Virginia. i might actually be able to just worry about his grades....

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RE: Student group wants more guns on campus - 2/17/2008 3:26:40 PM   
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so someone from this gun culture society of our sees more guns on campus as  a valid response to another gun related tragedy.Why am i not surprised, my only son attends college in new york a state that thankfully has responsible gun laws,now if we could only get the illegal guns that are brought in from other states with more liberal(crazy?) laws see Virginia. i might actually be able to just worry about his grades....



Better keep your fingers crossed that he is not in a "no gun zone"!   Thats the targets they always pick!!





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RE: Student group wants more guns on campus - 2/17/2008 5:57:00 PM   
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Story #4: Another Shooting in Gun-Free, Hate-Free Zone

RUSH: Northern Illinois University. I am told we have, what, seven people dead now? Another campus shooting. I am told that this is another one of these wonderful, Utopian, marvelous little college campi that is a gun-free zone. "That's right, Mr. Limbaugh, gun-free. It's the only way that we're going to get rid of guns and random shootings in America." Really? This guy, who was taking medication, whatever, this guy walks in there, starts mowing people down, has time to reload because there's nothing anybody can do to stop him. Everybody's gotta run away. Everybody's gotta take cover. This is liberalism on parade. I can't tell you the number of times I've had conversations with, even Republicans, liberal Republicans here in New York, and these liberal Republicans in New York love to single me out and poke me, you know, put their finger right in my chest and say, "Why do you conservatives believe X?" These are Republicans I'm talking about. Some of these guys served in the Nixon administration.


The subject that always came up was gun control. "Why are you conservatives so opposed to gun control?" I said, "I'll be happy to support gun control," this was a Fifth Avenue apartment dinner party, this is way back in the mid-nineties, I said, "If you can convince me that after taking guns out of the hands of law-abiding people, that you're also going to go into Central Park and get the guns out of all the creeps hanging around in there and everywhere else in this city. You get the guns out of the hands of the criminals, too, then maybe we can talk." But you're never going to be able to do that. This is another case in point where you have a liberal gun-free zone, hate-free zone. You go out and say you got something, but you don't got it. Just because you say it doesn't mean you got it. This wacko planned it. He planned it and executed it, and he knew that there wouldn't be anybody else in the time he had to do his damage that had a gun to fire back at him. "Well, what are we supposed to do, Mr. Limbaugh, let every student walk in with a gun?" No. But you certainly don't disarm security people around the place. You don't disarm perhaps the professor. This is going to keep happening because there are demented people walking around in our society. Who cares what motivates them, they're there.

You can debate all day why and you're not going to solve the problem. Even if you diagnose somebody as schizophrenic or bipolar or whatever, you give them the medicine for that and they stop taking it, where are you? They freak out, they go get a gun, and they know full well nobody's going to be able to stop them with another gun until after. They gotta know the cops are going to show up at some point, but they can still wreak their havoc long before anybody shows up to stop 'em and a number of people are dead in a gun-free zone. This is like these stupid sanctuary cities that will announce, "We're not going to have this in our city. We're not going to have that in our city." It's all around them. This is just classic symbolic feel-good liberalism that ends up putting people at risk because it fails to recognize that people are different. When it looks at either the demented or the sick or the truly sane who are yet criminally oriented, they look at them as no different than anybody else, we just treat them different. It's like Obama the way he wants to go talk to some of the worst murdering thugs in the world, with just the power of his presence and the power of his ability to say nothing, can turn these people into a bunch of lambs and say to Mr. Obama, "You know what, Mr. President, you are right. We're going to give up our evil ways. We're going to give up our dictatorships. We're going to give up our tyranny and we're going to grant our people freedom just because you came and talked to us or because you allowed us to come talk to you in the Oval Office."

 
By the way, President Obama, you better have armed guards in your Oval Office when these guys come to see you. Don't forget, we let Yasser Arafat walk to the podium at the UN wearing a pistol! "If we just show them that we mean them no harm, Mr. Limbaugh, then don't you think that alone will show that they have no reason to hate us?" No, it will show 'em what a bunch of weak, defeatable little SOBs we are, you little pansy, you run around, just show them we don't mean them any harm? "That's right, Mr. Limbaugh, you show them. The reason we're in such trouble in the world, Mr. Limbaugh, is because of our nuclear arsenal, we're stealing the world's resources from the poor and we're polluting the planet and destroying it. And Senator Obama will make sure that we're not going to do any more, people around the world that hate us will have no more reason to hate us," just like the gunman at Northern Illinois University. He knew that nobody in there could do him any harm, and so he had no animus for them, right? Liberalism is so stupid, I don't understand why -- the only explanation for people not getting liberalism is that they do not think. They feel, they hope, they want things to be different simply on the basis of their power of hope.


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RE: Student group wants more guns on campus - 2/17/2008 6:05:53 PM   
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To clarify, I'd serioulsly consider tazers on campus.  And not just the kind that one needs to get into melee range to use, but the kind that the cops have that shoot.  That'd do everything that guns on campus would with far less risks, right?

If a mass murderer comes by into a room of fifteen people and starts shooting them.. wouldn't a tazer stop him just as well as a bullet?  Maybe moreso.. if a bullet grazes him, it may not debilitate him.. if a tazer gets him on the pinky toe, it'll still stop him.

But it'd also remove a lot of the deaths which would come from actually having guns.




I wouldn't. I'd guess that drunks are more likely to tazer each other thinking "It won't hurt them" than they are to shoot each other. Tazers are not nearly as safe as people like to think they are and I've seen idiots spray each other with pepper spray (and don't friggin' the carry the stuff ladies. All it takes is the wind shifting and *you* are blind and helpless).

Now, considering that most of my fellow college students like to leave their rooms unlocked, I wouldn't approve of keeping guns in the dorms unless the college provided gun safes bolted to the walls and this was checked on a regular basis. However, I live off-campus and if I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, I don't see why I shouldn't be able to carry it on campus provided everything is legal and the college has no other reason (such as a religious objection or the students deciding as a whole that they don't want guns on campus) to disallow it.

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