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philosophy -> US military are economical with the verite (2/5/2008 7:45:21 PM)

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/02/05/khadr-account.html

...ok, now many of those who defend Guantanamo Bay do so in the belief that we can trust what we are told about the inmates there. That even if we are told nothing there must be some reason they are being held...some good reason.
The above link suggests that, in at least one case, the US military have flat out lied about whatever events led to his incarceration.
Now i am not suggesting that there ought to be a witch hunt to find the soldier that shot him in the back twice, as he sat with his back to the fighting. However, the fact that the evidence that proves this has ben suppressed and has only come to light accidentally ought to give us pause.
If they have lied about this one child/man, then who else have they lied about? What possible agenda is served by such falsehood?



luckydog1 -> RE: US military are economical with the verite (2/5/2008 9:02:20 PM)

The way that is written is kind of unclear.   It may be that the specific charge needs to be dropped and just put him back into no communication status, untill we decide he is no longer a security risk.  His Attorneys admit he is an Alqueda fighter.



philosophy -> RE: US military are economical with the verite (2/5/2008 9:08:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

His Attorneys admit he is an Alqueda fighter.


...they also admit he was 15 at the time, which makes him a child soldier and not an unlawful combatant........a child soldier who was shot twice in the back after he had withdrawn from the combat wounded.........i mean, be honest, you'd be all over an AQ fighter who shot wounded US soldiers from behind wouldn't you?



FirmhandKY -> RE: US military are economical with the verite (2/5/2008 9:31:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

His Attorneys admit he is an Alqueda fighter.


...they also admit he was 15 at the time, which makes him a child soldier and not an unlawful combatant........a child soldier who was shot twice in the back after he had withdrawn from the combat wounded.........i mean, be honest, you'd be all over an AQ fighter who shot wounded US soldiers from behind wouldn't you?


I'm not sure that his being 15 has anything to do with his combatant status. Do you have a cite or link that gives an age limit in a Law of Land Warfare document or treaty?

I think a 15 year old male teenager, found with AQ fighters who are attacking American soldiers is on pretty shaky ground, anyway.

There isn't enough information in the article to make any kind of real conclusion, especially seeing how often times a bias or anti-Gitmo or anti-American POV affects reports. Not saying that it is, in this case, but I've seen it enough times to be suspicous.

Another interesting fact that you might miss, is that - even though shot twice, and otherwise wounded - it's pretty obvious that he was given some pretty effective medical care. Kinda puts a little crimp in the "murdering American soldiers" narrative.

Firm



luckydog1 -> RE: US military are economical with the verite (2/5/2008 9:38:38 PM)

Is turning ones back after throwing (or ones fellow AQ fighter throws)a grenade actually withdrawing from battle?  Sounds more like common sense. 

Treat him according to Geneva, lock him in a cell with no communication, untill such time as the US government decides he is no longer a security threat. 

You will have to charge Al Queda with recruting and sending 15 year olds into battle, good luck with that....The people who did recruit him are in your country, but you see the USA as the Bad guys.  Wierd



greyangelus -> RE: US military are economical with the verite (2/5/2008 10:02:14 PM)

Al' Qaeda translates into "The Base" in English.  Its also a slang word for a western style toiletin the Mideast.

Who the frak names a terrorist organization "The Toilet" and expects them to be taken seriously?



Muttling -> RE: US military are economical with the verite (2/5/2008 10:19:08 PM)

He was serving in an enemy military force.   He was in retreat when he was shot.    What's the big deal????



Do we stop the battle to check everyone's id's and verify they are of legal age???


Do we NOT shoot a retreating enemy and wait for him to take up a covered position where he can return fire (potentially killing American soldiers) before we shoot him???


This concept of nice, clean warfare is a wonderful idea.    If you can get our enemy to agree to it and abide by it then we might have something reasonable upon our hands.  In the mean time, they are using children as a weapon because they know we are hesitant to fire upon them.   Kids in Iraq run up to hidden American positions and point their fingers so the enemy will know where we are.   We don't shoot the kids.   Do you think the enemy would do the same if WE used children in such a manner?


Welcome to the wonderful world of reality folks.  A 15 year old and throw a grenade, shoot rifle, fire an RPG, etc, etc, etc.    He is physically capable of doing combat and he WAS serving in an enemy force.   If he was compelled to do so, then you need to take that issue up with the people who compelled him to serve and not the people he was trying to kill.



popeye1250 -> RE: US military are economical with the verite (2/5/2008 11:23:56 PM)

I wonder how many times al qeada has done this and lied about it?



meatcleaver -> RE: US military are economical with the verite (2/6/2008 12:03:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I think a 15 year old male teenager, found with AQ fighters who are attacking American soldiers is on pretty shaky ground, anyway.



To be fair, American soldiers were attacking AQ fighters, not the other way round. Many people caught up in the fighting were patently not fighters at all even though the US military has been reluctant to admit this but when has innocence or guilt mattered in this affair?



meatcleaver -> RE: US military are economical with the verite (2/6/2008 12:09:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: greyangelus

Al' Qaeda translates into "The Base" in English.  Its also a slang word for a western style toiletin the Mideast.

Who the frak names a terrorist organization "The Toilet" and expects them to be taken seriously?


Washington?

Actually Al Qeada is not an organisation and never has been, its been a convenient umbrella name for a wide variety of disaffected muslim groups with different aims and not all of them are interested in attacking the west. It is convenient for Washington to lump all the groups together so they can support their oil rich allies (such as Saudi Arabia) against legitimate internal unrest against a oppressive regime.



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