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greyangelus -> Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/1/2008 11:36:55 PM)

Hmmm, something big, stinky and nasty is going to be happening right soons.  Check out these links

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/business/worldbusiness/31cable.html?_r=2&ref=business&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/third-undersea-cable-reportedly-cut/story.aspx?guid=%7B1AAB2A79-E983-4E0E-BC39-68A120DC16D9%7D
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/01/31/dubai.outage/index.html

These are in chronological order, from top/oldest to bottom newest.  Please check out this link as well.

http://www.internettrafficreport.com/asia.htm

Note the servers in red, note the only server listed at 0 packets, and this info is current as of the last 24 hrs.

2 likely scenarios

Realistic and most likely scenario?  Underseas tapping being done by black ops subs on all internet traffic though Iran.  The US used to be fairly proficient at that sort of thing in the Cold War so it stands to reason thats the most likely case here.

For the armchair generals out there, whats the number one target during the initial strikes of an  offensive?




.... if you answered "C3" you win the prize.  (For the less military minded, C3 is short for command, control, and communication.   Basically put; the infrastructure that lets people communicate to others electronically, note that civillian phone lines, transmission and satellite towers, and fiber optics cables including underseas fiber optic cables that carry Internet traffic are usually on the list of targets to hit.  Underseas cable is one of the easiest to cut as its not buried, merely lying on the seabed, but can be time-consuming to locate as thier exact location is not known due to tidal currents, silting, etc, and thier usually too deep for divers)

Worst and much less likely case scenario?  A "incident" will be manufactured showing Iran really is a "dire threat", and ho off into WW3 we go.  Basically  our fraktard of a president has finally lost his mind and is in the process of starting armageddon. For the real reason behind this admittly unlikely scenario see here http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59109.

To connect the dots for you.  China buys billions of dollar of US gov debt every year.  Oil prices up until recently denominated in dollars.  Thus in order to buy oil nation-to-nation, you need to have dollars.  Iran stops taking dollars for oil payments, insisting on euros instead.  Result?  China no longer needs dollars anymore, and so thus stops buying federal debt.  Federal debt stops going out of country, it must be placed in country. If placed in-country, the massive infusion of billions of dollars greatly increases the devaluation of the dollar.

The above explanation takes place over several years of course, but once started is inevitable. 


Ain't living nowadays just grand?



popeye1250 -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/1/2008 11:54:14 PM)

Well, I'm retired so I'm not going back in again.
I did my thing in the Vietnam days.



greyangelus -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/2/2008 12:08:51 AM)

 Hey, it'll take an act of congress for them to draft me, I'm at the bottom of the list having previosly served.  You might find this little tidbit of info interesting too.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:24:./temp/~bdLWu7::|/bss/d110query.html|

Still sitting in subcommitee at the latest, but I'm pretty they can get it passed real quick-like if they really wanted too.




greyangelus -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/4/2008 1:53:48 PM)

Another post:

Just found this out. 

http://www.energybulletin.net/39844.html

For this who don't care to read, looks like Iran may have to reschedule thier opening.

The undersea cables being cut makes MUCH more sense now. Since virtually all bourse/exchanges are electronically done, completely shutting off Tehran from the internet delays this a bit.

But those cables are going to repaired at some point.  Wonder what they're going to do then? Hm......

EDIT:  The total of cables cut is apparently 5, although this is the only info I've managed to find, most of the others list 4

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/theuae/2008/February/theuae_February121.xml&section=theuae




kittinSol -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/4/2008 2:02:58 PM)

Let's hope it's just the tunas getting hungry [8|] .




mnottertail -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/4/2008 2:07:58 PM)

and the gps can be knocked out of the sky with old fashioned throw some lead at them missiles.

control the dimensions of war space.

Asynch war, nothing new.

The Emporer has no clothes.

Mushashi



mhawk -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/4/2008 2:14:45 PM)

as another put on this post. i'm one of those who also has already done their time overseas(Afghanistan) and at this point even with the health probs i've had since about 1996, they can't touch me again too much of a risk.



kittinSol -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/4/2008 2:19:16 PM)

I see! You guys are actually getting ready for another conflict... I hadn't realised that's what was going on. Dude, don't you just hate wars?



Slavehandsome -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/4/2008 2:26:04 PM)

I have a solution to the devaluation of the US Dollar.  Once its plunged plenty more, why don't we merge with Canada and Mexico and get on one currency.  Let's call it the Amero.  That way, we can 'compete' with other regional currencies, and since we're merging currencies, why don't we go ahead and merge governments.  It'd be the best way to outdate that pesky Constitution, and we'd be one step closer to one world governance.  Whad'ya say?



kittinSol -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/4/2008 2:27:28 PM)

Yay! That's what happened in Europe, and it's turning into one motherfucker of a superpower.

I'm all for an omnipotent state. Go for it.



faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/4/2008 2:28:02 PM)

trust me you want NOTHING to do with mexico.
usa/canada merg...yes...it will happen eventually.



mnottertail -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/4/2008 2:28:14 PM)

I would go for that, but who would take on our debt and would mire themselves in the war in the middle east, Canada or Mexico or both, I mean they are stupid, but not that fucking stupid.

What I am saying is what would we be bringing to the dance?

Ron



greyangelus -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/4/2008 2:31:44 PM)

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I have a solution to the devaluation of the US Dollar.  Once its plunged plenty more, why don't we merge with Canada and Mexico and get on one currency.  Let's call it the Amero.  That way, we can 'compete' with other regional currencies, and since we're merging currencies, why don't we go ahead and merge governments.  It'd be the best way to outdate that pesky Constitution, and we'd be one step closer to one world governance.  Whad'ya say?


Survey says  "NO, No, no, and hell effing NO!!!"



Owner59 -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/4/2008 3:07:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: greyangelus

quote:


I have a solution to the devaluation of the US Dollar.  Once its plunged plenty more, why don't we merge with Canada and Mexico and get on one currency.  Let's call it the Amero.  That way, we can 'compete' with other regional currencies, and since we're merging currencies, why don't we go ahead and merge governments.  It'd be the best way to outdate that pesky Constitution, and we'd be one step closer to one world governance.  Whad'ya say?


Survey says  "NO, No, no, and hell effing NO!!!"


What if the Paso or Canadian dollar is worth more than the US dollar?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/dollar_cdn/

http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN0460349520080204

Wouldn`t that ~"help"~ us?



Rule -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/4/2008 4:16:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: greyangelus
something big, stinky and nasty is going to be happening right soons.  Check out these links

Astute observation. I knew about two cables, but naively supposed they were next to each other. Now you have pointed the finger at the crux: this is an offensive attack in some kind of war.



Politesub53 -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/4/2008 4:37:36 PM)

quote:

To connect the dots for you.  China buys billions of dollar of US gov debt every year.  Oil prices up until recently denominated in dollars.  Thus in order to buy oil nation-to-nation, you need to have dollars.  Iran stops taking dollars for oil payments, insisting on euros instead.  Result?  China no longer needs dollars anymore, and so thus stops buying federal debt.  Federal debt stops going out of country, it must be placed in country. If placed in-country, the massive infusion of billions of dollars greatly increases the devaluation of the dollar.


I said much the same about Iraq being invaded after it started trading petrol for Euros. Whatever else its odd that there have been 4 cut cables, which is rae in itself, in a short space of time. And all during the Opec meeting due in Vienna last week.



greyangelus -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/6/2008 12:16:32 AM)

Ain't coincidences like that funny?

Another article for your consideration.
http://thegallopingbeaver.blogspot.com/2008/02/where-is-uss-jimmy-carter.html

I knew the Navy had a sub or two like this around back in the Cold War (about halfway down the article it goes into a bit of history detail.)  

Much more interesting is the well-thought out method for doing so, near the end of the article



Termyn8or -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/6/2008 10:06:48 PM)

You got my attention. At first two, now five ? Yes something is going on and any finger hooked up to a brain might just be pointing at the US. I think for good reason. Not only what countries have not been affected like Israel which should be a dead givaway, but not quite, but who IS affected.

Some of these countries have something in common. They do not really like our dollars anymore. When I read that Saddam dropping the dollar was the impetus for war, rather than waiting for him to do something stupid to give us an excuse, something had to be done fast due to that exact reason. Later I read that he actually had converted to Euros. This starts to make sense.

Now if they can disrupt payments between international firms that deal in Euros, that would depress the value of the Euro. But I am so much of a realist that I am dangerous. I think we might see the neocons move their personal wealth out of dollars on their way out of office. Far be if from them to do anything for us, and I really believe that.

Put it this way, Haliburton moving to Dubai. I realize Dubai was affected, but sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. The boss holds the second highest office in this country for Chissake, isn't it obvious that something is not quite as it seems ?

That last article was quite astute. Cut the cable dowstream and nobody is the wiser about you working on it upstream. Or is that correct the other way around ? At any rate, this is just a bit too much coincidence and I do see the news, not by choice, but I do. There has been no mention of this whatsoever. I'll let you know if that changes.

And let's have a quick selective look here. Now GWB is a businessman but never made money at it. He ran a bunch of businesses into the ground. His brother Niel ran a bank into the ground by giving all the money to his buddies. His other brother Jeb most likely belongs in jail for supporting and possibly subborning election fraud. And the root of it all is that the stupid act is indeed an act. I believe they fully know what they are doing, why they are doing it as well as what is going to happen because of it.

And now for a very short time I will go into the conspiracy theorist mode : Just what might be going on in places that have disrupted or very impaired tellecommunication with the rest of the world ? Why did they sink the USS Liberty ? Why was the TV network one of the first targets in Iraq ? Control of information.

Enough for now.

T



MistressVnus -> RE: Hmmm, something mighty fishy in the Mideast (2/7/2008 6:17:08 AM)

And...think about it.....2012 is in about 4 years.  It should all be coming to a head about then.  The climate change shooting up the exponential curve.  Nuclear superpowers clashing.   Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
The Myans date it.
The I - Ching date it.
Nostradamus charted the once in 20,000 year planet alignment to 2012.

All coincidence and conspiricay theory.  *wink*  yea.

I think many can "feel" it coming and choose not to see.  Kind of like feeling that lump in your breast and knowing you should go to the doctor but being afraid to hear the diagnosis.  Denial is not a river in Egypt.  At least, once global warming or climate change gets done with it (it's about 1/3 gone already) we wont have a river in Egypt to even refer that comment to.

Hold on to your asses folks cause it's gonna get to be a real bumpy ride.




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