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RE: Grrr... I can't believe this crap! LGBT shit we go ... - 1/30/2008 7:21:58 PM

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Leave Job for Another with appropriate benefits, and state VERY CLEARLY in the Exit Interview the reason you're going.

In a multi-national, there will be a "Retention Committee" keeping tabs on trends w.r.t. GOOD people choosing to leave, and their reasons.

Eventually, the pattern will be documented, and appropriately addressed. The *winners* will do whatever is necessary to retain the *talent*.

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RE: Grrr... I can't believe this crap! LGBT shit we go ... - 1/30/2008 7:29:48 PM

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Oh geez.. there is no way I would leave my job to make some vauge point that the govt is never going to hear and screw over my family in the mean time even more.

I need the insurance, and the good pay my company affords me.

However what I will do is become even more active politicaly ( I am sure that will make my honey soo happy.. like I do not spend enough time on that now... and going to debates, and crap) and I will become a spokesperson on how it simply sucks.

I cant dump the baby out with the bathwater.

but hopefuly someone will eventualy listen.

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RE: Grrr... I can't believe this crap! LGBT shit we go ... - 1/30/2008 8:04:38 PM

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{{{{Hugs Gwyn}}}} that is all I can give you.

Hang in there.

The Middle Class is getting hit hard, with no end in sight.

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RE: Grrr... I can't believe this crap! LGBT shit we go ... - 1/30/2008 8:12:31 PM

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{{{{Hugs Gwyn}}}} that is all I can give you.

Hang in there.

The Middle Class is getting hit hard, with no end in sight.

seconds MzM ...

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RE: Grrr... I can't believe this crap! LGBT shit we go ... - 1/30/2008 8:22:24 PM

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Thanks... *hugs back*

I know.. I am in the middle class.. then with getting doubly fucked ( in the bad unhappy non consentual, hey what the hell are you doing back there sorta way)
it really doesnt make me happy.

It sucks for everyone.. but esp for us poor schelps who have the audacity to have a family like mine.

But it isnt going to put me off from busting my ass at work, or voting, or loving who I love, or supporting my family.. or simply living my life.

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RE: Grrr... I can't believe this crap! LGBT shit we go ... - 1/30/2008 8:25:25 PM

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p.s.--Gwyn I think you are in the UPPER middle class by
the way.

IMHO the government is trying to run this country on the fucking
backs of the Middle Class, and it sucks.

Over-taxation! Double taxation!------very bad.

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RE: Grrr... I can't believe this crap! LGBT shit we go ... - 1/30/2008 8:52:47 PM

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p.s.--Gwyn I think you are in the UPPER middle class by
the way.

IMHO the government is trying to run this country on the fucking
backs of the Middle Class, and it sucks.

Over-taxation! Double taxation!------very bad.

*smiles* Not according to Wiki.. damn I wish I was making that much... I need a raise. LOL Ok.. a few raises and a promotion.

I am solidly in middle class.. and it is cool there.. just dont want to be screwed is all.

Yeah double and over taxation just sucks... now if someone would kindly point me in the direction of a boat load of tea... *smirks*

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RE: Grrr... I can't believe this crap! LGBT shit we go ... - 1/30/2008 11:34:41 PM

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Where in the IRS regs does it say that companies are required to only deduct this for gay dependents?

Did you follow the links contained?
Here is another. http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/12/pdf/domestic_partners.pdf

here is the search page for all of the tax codes governing this.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/TaxSearch?database=taxindex&text=domestic+partner+insurance%0D%0A

Gwyn

I read the first two about pending bills, and now the last one...

That last link covers tax codes for business partnerships which are 'domestic' in the sense that they do business inside the US... not the sort of domestic partnership from your OP at all.

And I still didn't find anything in any of links that specifically calls for different treatment if the people living together are gay, as your OP seems to claim.

It sounds like you should be outraged at the non-IRS imposed restrictions preventing gay people from getting legally married and thereby taking advantage of the married benefits, and not that unmarried heterosexual couples are getting the same treatment as all gay couples.

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RE: Grrr... I can't believe this crap! LGBT shit we go ... - 1/30/2008 11:59:22 PM

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Here's a plan, get a representative. Just one. Even Ron Paul ain't one.

If I were President or dictator this would be the deal. You can put anyone you want on your health plan you want, but it does not take effect for like three months. And don't gimme this "People with thirteen kids" shit, they abuse it by having too many kids. That is insane. And if you don't know three months in advance that your Woman is going to have a baby, you are lame enough that fuck it. Better they do not reproduce.

That would cover it, make it alot more fair. It might be tolerable, who knows. All I know is that I am sick of it the way it is.

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RE: Grrr... I can't believe this crap! LGBT shit we go ... - 1/31/2008 8:08:24 AM

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Where in the IRS regs does it say that companies are required to only deduct this for gay dependents?

Did you follow the links contained?
Here is another. http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/12/pdf/domestic_partners.pdf

here is the search page for all of the tax codes governing this.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/TaxSearch?database=taxindex&text=domestic+partner+insurance%0D%0A

Gwyn

I read the first two about pending bills, and now the last one...

That last link covers tax codes for business partnerships which are 'domestic' in the sense that they do business inside the US... not the sort of domestic partnership from your OP at all.

And I still didn't find anything in any of links that specifically calls for different treatment if the people living together are gay, as your OP seems to claim.

In the first set of links it describes how the laws now effect gay couples and new laws we would like in place to fix the mess.. as I described. As far as tax codes.. I didnt read what the IRS said the last thing I want to do is sort through and read pages of tax codes.. I just typed in the quires into the look up a code on the one website. You may have to hunt down the code on your own that is allowing them to tax as is stated on the other websites.. and from what I am seeing on my paycheck. There is a reason why I have folks do my taxes.. I dont read tax codes.

It sounds like you should be outraged at the non-IRS imposed restrictions preventing gay people from getting legally married and thereby taking advantage of the married benefits, and not that unmarried heterosexual couples are getting the same treatment as all gay couples.

If you had bothered to read the links you would have read it *is* IRS imposed taxes firstly. Secondly Us not being able to marry has nothing to do with in my mind if hetrosexual couples get benifits or not.. if you are a hetrosexual couple and you want the same benifits as a married couple.. well you have the *Ability* to get married now dont you? I have no Issues with that nor did I state anything close to that.
If the gov't isnt going to allow us to marry and get benifits.. and the companies we work for are nice enough to give us *some* benifits the gov't is *still* raking us over the coals in extra taxes because we dare to exist at all. Those who are legaly Married do not get the same treatment, yet we are not afforded that right.

Stop reading your own issues into what people say. And please do read links provided.

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RE: Grrr... I can't believe this crap! LGBT shit we go ... - 1/31/2008 9:15:15 AM

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if you are a hetrosexual couple and you want the same benifits as a married couple.. well you have the *Ability* to get married now dont you? I have no Issues with that ...

AND:

Stop reading your own issues into what people say. And please do read links provided.

You brag about not bothering to read your own links, and then demand that other people find what isn't in the bogus ones you paste?

Nice try.

And if my support for gay marriage offends you so much, why dont you go over to Stormfront where you will find many like minded friends?

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RE: Grrr... I can't believe this crap! LGBT shit we go ... - 1/31/2008 12:44:01 PM

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It's great that you support gay marriage.. but that wasnt really the *main* complaint of the thread. It is part of the issue... but the main complaint was being over taxed because of domestic partnerships.

I finaly found some more direct info on it.

http://www.buddybuddy.com/d-p-ngl.html

A significant tax burden exists on employees who participate in DP benefits plans. For the most part, health care and other benefits extended to the spouse and/or children of an employee are exempt from taxes. However, the same contributions made to any other individual — including registered domestic partners and dependents of domestic partners — are not exempt from taxes, unless those receiving benefits meet the definition of “dependent” under the Internal Revenue Code (IRC).
IRC Section 152 defines a “dependent” as one who:

receives half of his/her support from the taxpayer and

is a member of the taxpayer’s residence, which is the dependent’s principle place of residence.
All benefits extended to a tax payer’s non-dependent, non-spousal family members are, therefore, taxable.
While the policy regarding the taxability of domestic partnership benefits is not explicitly stated in the IRC, several private letter rulings from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) have affirmed this interpretation of the code (see PLR 971708, PLR 9603011, PLR 9431017, PLR 9231062, PLR 9109060, PLR 9034048).

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RE: Grrr... I can't believe this crap! LGBT shit we go ... - 1/31/2008 2:02:20 PM

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Which jibes with what I remembered about the IRS stance on dependents who aren't married or blood relatives... no mention of sexual orientation.

It seems to me that there are few possible 'fixes'...

One would be to give gay couples special status as domestic partners while denying it to unmarried heterosexual couples. Yes, they could get married to recieve the tax benefit, but it is still putting a discriminatory bandaid on a problem created by discrimination.

The other would be to leave the IRS code neutral, and reverse the ban on gay marriages.

Myself, I believe in correcting the most egregious and fundamental wrong, first.

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RE: Grrr... I can't believe this crap! LGBT shit we go ... - 1/31/2008 2:27:00 PM

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Who the hell at the IRS is blowing Dubbya?

I am soo freaking ticked off I could spit nails.

http://www.hrc.org/issues/workplace/benefits/4820.htm
http://www.hrc.org/laws_and_elections/5671.htm

Interestly while people were having fun ridiculing me and a few others accusing me of wearing a tin hat, fighting me tooth and nail on tax issues that I tried to introduce here I only have one thing to say.... You aint seen shit yet! They want to make it hurt so thay can do the fair or flat tax that most people do not understand the ramifications of and then really have a funnel to drin the middle and lower class.

Anyway you aint seen nothing like you will see in the next 7 to 10 and it wont matter who is in office and it will get worse until people wise up and fix. But they wont so may as well enjoy the show.

Meantime here isa somehting you can relate to;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El9RZvbXIj4

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