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LadyHathor -> Supremacy (1/29/2008 12:49:41 PM)

I often get emails from boys wanting My insight, feelings etc on Female Supremacy--the latest one wants to know if I believed  *women*  should be taught to use their gifts to control the male species---I mean I thought women were allowed to go to school, think, vote, hold jobs---anyway I digress--I, for one, do not believe in sole supremacy of either gender as a standard---we obviously morphed ( insert whatever word you want to here to ease your spiritual beliefs)-- as we did-- to be a balance in the world--now given that--I believe in supremacy of the person best suited to complete that task at that time--based on a variety factors required for that task---I also believe in supremacy of the right person for the what I call the "herd"--I am supreme over Mine--which is My family, I choose it that way because that is what works for Me and what I prefer --there are also "herds" that are better suited to a male being supreme---and in others it is a blend of two ( MF, FF, MM, FM)---I think it is dangerous to have one gender completey dominant over another--(I don't care what history has shown as there as not been enough Female dominated cultures to make intelligent comparisons)---so My question is why, because there are male dominants or female dominants do people assume there is a need for that gender to reign supreme?
 
Thoughts?



Shawn1066 -> RE: Supremacy (1/29/2008 12:52:30 PM)

It fits their fantasy.  Some people truly believe it, of course...but for a lot of them it just makes a nice, hot fantasy.

Personally, while I love female dominance...  I don't believe in female superiority.  I don't believe in superiority of either gender.  I don't even believe my Owner is innately superior to me...because she's not.

She's my Owner, she has the power in our relationship, but this has nothing to do with the superiority/inferiority of either of us.  We're pretty much equals when it comes to that.



Rover -> RE: Supremacy (1/29/2008 1:04:52 PM)

I'm with Shawn as to the motivation for gender based supremacy in BDSM (namely, that it is based upon fantasy rather than anything to do with reality).  And I wish to echo the OP's thoughts regarding supremacy within a specific relationship, which can be based upon whatever qualities and characteristics the partners agree upon, including gender, race, orientation, etc. 
 
But gender supremacy stated as an absolute for all of BDSM, or all of humanity, is about as logical and palatable to me as is race supremacy... which is to say that it's unreasonable and distasteful in the extreme.
 
John



softandshy -> RE: Supremacy (1/29/2008 1:13:30 PM)

I personally have an issue with submitting to males.  It won't happen because generally I find their emotional, though not necessarily their regular, intelligence lacking.  I won't allow myself to commit to that level of trust with a male on the off-chance that the lack winds up playing a significant role later on in the relationship.  However, I do realize that this is due to a strong bias on my part, I know clearly where this bias originated, and I work to keep myself aware that there are still good men out there, even some as good as any woman.  So while in my mind, yes, on the whole women are superior, I don't discount men.  I also don't believe all women are equal, and I don't deify them.

My lady, well, she's sort of a different matter.  I still don't deify her, but she probably comes closest for me personally.  ~smiles softly~ 



ExSteelAgain -> RE: Supremacy (1/29/2008 2:44:12 PM)

It’s a complicated subject that would first require a firm definition of supreme. Are we talking about physical strength, ability to elicit desire or ability to create what we want in a particular situation? It really comes down to the people involved.

Definitions of superiority only apply in restricted domains or else they are so vague as to become useless. Since we can’t define superiority without destroying your question, I will only remark that you need two or more parts connected in such a way that it is hard to separate them to have a condition of human superiority.



ownedgirlie -> RE: Supremacy (1/29/2008 3:02:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHathor

so My question is why, because there are male dominants or female dominants do people assume there is a need for that gender to reign supreme?
 
Thoughts?


Ever been told by a male dominant that you're really submissive, you're just in denial?  Or, you just haven't found the right man to submit to yet?  I think female supremists may have the same mindset, in reverse.

The need to view an entire gender to reign supreme signifies ignorance to me.  I used to believe only males could be dominant.  I was wrong.  I don't believe in gender supremacy, racial supremacy, religious supremacy, etc.  Sure, an argument can be made for any case.  We see all the time that anything can be justified.  You can find scientific studies to prove any side of an argument you wish to prove.  But to say ALL of a certain species is supreme?  I respectfully disagree.



LadyHathor -> RE: Supremacy (1/29/2008 3:11:47 PM)

Yes I have, on several occasions been contacted by a Male Dominant to tell Me:
 
I am misgiuded
A good f***kng will bring Me to My senses
I am really looking for Daddy
I need a good cock to get My head straight--
 
oh puhleez----



Shawn1066 -> RE: Supremacy (1/29/2008 3:19:01 PM)

Lesbians get similar sort of crap.

Everybody knows they're just waiting for my supercock to turn them straight. *sigh*



littlebitxxx -> RE: Supremacy (1/29/2008 3:43:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHathor

Yes I have, on several occasions been contacted by a Male Dominant to tell Me:
 
I am misgiuded
A good f***kng will bring Me to My senses
I am really looking for Daddy
I need a good cock to get My head straight--
 
oh puhleez----


Wouldn't we all like to have something of that sort every once in awhile...lol.  Seriously, though I'm thinking most need labels on everything in their life or they can't recognize it.  Male this, female that, dominant, submissive....who cares?  Just be and be happy about it.  Who cares what their opinion is?  It's only their opinion and doesn't count for jackshit to anyone but them.   A lot of this gender superiority crap is probably stemming from insecurity in their own right and so have to go all holier than thou on others.  Males are not just naturally more dominant or superior than women, and vice versa.  It's usually those that just think they are that have to put down the women to feed themselves.

Only My Opinion of course....which really doesn't mean jackshit to anyone else but me, and I'm happy with that.



sirguym -> RE: Supremacy (1/29/2008 3:45:27 PM)

I would not argue with any of the respondents so far.

Anybody who thinks ALL women are superior to ALL men, or vice versa, just has to have the kind of brain that believes in a simplistic and literal all-powerful God, the sanctity of holy writ, the supremacy of any one race, religion or political system, a flat earth, Gorean philosophy or Scientology.

It just defies all rational experience!

There is usually a boss or a bitch or a bastard in every relationship; the one who is more in overall control, takes more of the rtesponsibility than the other.

Sometimes they will be male, sometimes female, sometimes TV, TS or whatever; the innate variation within any one group in society; in gender, race, culture, religious origin, geographical location or origin, hair or eye colour ...  is far more more marked, than any difference in the average for the group.

But then, that should be obvious to anyone who's been arounbd the block a time or two.



Lashra -> RE: Supremacy (1/29/2008 5:05:50 PM)

LadyHathor I agree with you totally. Neither gender is supreme, never has been never will be. In fact I believe its dangerous to attempt to put one gender over the other. Look what is happening in the Middle East to females and other countries where women are viewed as lowly chattel. They are being raped, killed and sold as if their lives meant nothing. Its disgusting to think that human beings could sink so low.

I don't care what anyone says an equality needs to be in place, a balance if you will. If things get too skewed into one direction the other side will pay for it in blood. What people do in their individual relationships is their business but people should have a CHOICE about it, not to be forced into something merely because of their gender.

I have a male sub, I have power over him, do I think that makes me superior to him? No, I'm just the one in charge as humans we are equal people. I give the orders and he follows, I love him and he loves me, I protect him, he protects me and it works great for us.

~Lashra



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Supremacy (1/29/2008 5:26:24 PM)

I am an ardent feminist, but I am by no means a female supremacist.  (yeah, grrls are better, but you know what I mean! :) ) 

The idea that one gender is somehow genetically superior is just absurd.  Each gender has specific qualities that complements the other at times, but that doesn't make one or the other better. 

I have no use for female supremacy as a fantasy or an aspect of BDSM, either.  I have found through sad experience that those who would worship women as goddesses are the most affronted by the things that they consider feet of clay---ie, living the lives of normal women!  I don't mind taking on an archetype for the length of a scene, but I do not find it acceptable to be objectified over the long term.



rick19 -> RE: Supremacy (1/29/2008 5:46:44 PM)

I think female supremacy is a pile of bullshit, but I also think male supremacy is even a bigger pile of bullshit. Anyone who thinks they are superior because of what they have between their legs is a truly pathetic individual.

One thing I noticed though, female supremacy seems to be more accepted on these boards than male supremacy, but that is a whole separate issue and I do not want to go further with it and derail this thread.



LordMarkus -> RE: Supremacy (1/30/2008 2:37:35 AM)

The world and the universe are so big and so varied than any supremacist doctrine, racial, political, gender or national origins, is just fatuous and not intelligent.

I understand than as part of a BDSM play someone can to resort to one of this positions as a game or a fantasy, but the problem comes when it can't be contrasting with the reality, or worse, when someone who really believe in one of that not reasonable positions comes to the BDSM thinking than it can be an expression of a supremacy doctrine and not a life style than don't need any supremacy doctrine to exist. In other way the nature of this lifestyle need people with an open mind, and the supremacist of any doctrine don't have it, so please, don't come to the BDSM.

Best Regards

Lord Markus



MzMia -> RE: Supremacy (1/30/2008 4:55:32 AM)

Here is my usual take every time this subject comes up.
 
I live my life as a normal person.
I often forget I have the term "Female Supremacist" on my profile, because
I do not identify with that title.
I am not a Mistress, and I am only Supreme to my submissive.
 
I do not feel and I have NEVER said that ALL females are superior to males.
I am SUPERIOR to my submissive, only.
 
If people can call themselves "Lords", "Masters", etc.
I can certainly have MY title for MY submissive, and to my submissive ONLY
I am a Female Supremacist.
 
Have a nice day!

**I will say I LOVE the energy that many have against the term "Female Supremacy".
It amuses me.
I have never really called myself Mistress, and I personally do not IDENTIFY with that term.
 
But then I don't bash those that call themselves "Goreans", "Lord", "Master", or the Grand Damn Poobah.
If it is NOT your thing? So be it!
I don't see anyone on here that I consider a "LORD" etc.
DO I spend my life asking or CARING why they call themselves a LORD?
ah......NO!
They are all titles, live and let people live.



Justme696 -> RE: Supremacy (1/30/2008 6:07:46 AM)

mmm I dislike the word supremacy. They should not have invented it. Gives some how a bad taste/feeling.  
Where it is used..it leads to problems.



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Supremacy (1/30/2008 8:41:03 AM)

MzMia, you know I think you are da BOMB!  And honestly, I don't think of you when I think of the fem supremacists who grind my gears---OR the crawly guys who want to put me on a pedestal to look up My dress! 



ItalianSMistress -> RE: Supremacy (1/30/2008 9:41:24 AM)

I dont believe in Female Supremacy, if I did, then I would not have female slaves.  That is the answer I usually give to boys that want to know about that, lol.  And, I also hate boys that think I am gonna go str8 cuz I just have not found the right cock.  Usually, telling those boys you will fuck them first with a strap on fixes it.  I even had a "Master" a few days ago, try and convince Me that I was not a Domme, in fact, I was not even gay, that I, in fact, was a bi slave, and he wanted Me.  A few messages back and forth fixed that right up.  I had to ask him if he even read My profile (even tho I knew he was looking at it daily, from the "whos viewing Me").



ownedgirlie -> RE: Supremacy (1/30/2008 9:48:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

**I will say I LOVE the energy that many have against the term "Female Supremacy".
It amuses me.


I am genuinely curious - why do you LOVE it, and why does it amuse you?

Has your life been personally and negatively affected by a male who thinks he is supreme?  Perhaps not, and that's why you don't understand the energy expressed.



Dnomyar -> RE: Supremacy (1/30/2008 10:09:07 AM)

Mmmm I wonder if the group called the Supremes had whips for props.



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