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Shammon5 -> Energy Play? (1/29/2008 11:59:42 AM)

Ok, I've read some of the older threads discussing the intense energy between partners during a scene, but does anyone actually play with this energy? We attended a class at a convention last year where the presenter spoke briefly about "energy play" where the top actually manipulates the energy around and in the bottom to produce sensations. One example she gave was this: a top bites the neck of the bottom, then moves his tongue across her skin, and conciously transfering his energy through her shoulder. The bottom feels a sensation on her clit as if he had caressed her there, which is caused by his energy (this can happen with any configuration of partners, I only used he and she as default). Or something like that. I also know that Tantra has something to do with it, but I'm not sure. [sm=idea.gif]

I'm sorry since this doesn't really make  a lot of sense to me, and I know that I'm probably explaining it wrong. If I am, please correct me. I am really interested if other people do this, how you use it, and what kinds of experiences it has created for you. Thank you in advance to everyone!

Shawna




LadyHugs -> RE: Energy Play? (1/29/2008 12:27:01 PM)

Dear Shammon5, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Energy play to me, is much like transmitting 'healing' powers/energy from my own spirit into and or onto another individual. 
 
I demonstrate this often when using two extreme emotions--love and hate.  Individuals are asked to focus on something they dearly love--really a profound love they have.  Then touch their own face with their hand.  To 'feel' the emotion through your own hand is not often realized until you clear your mind for about 10 seconds and then, focus fully and deeply on something you hate.  The sensation is entirely different and gives off a different sensation to your face. 
 
Energy transfer goes through anything a person touches and transmits through objects.  I have demonstrated this in some of my presentations and or classes; that how a Dominant feels in their spirit/soul with the emotions the 'intent' will transmit through things like floggers, canes, paddles, spanking hand and the like -- even a caress to the face. 
 
Energy, no matter how it is-- requires participation.  When I incorporate this in 'play'--they will feel my positive energy, my happiness in the special scene we're in.  If I have a miss-hit; I can recall the pain back to my own body; thus giving them relief. 
 
Through energy, it is nice to reassign pain to a different part of the body for a while.  To manipulate it about and in certain cases--make it a memory.  Energy for the lack of a better analogy is -- a tuning fork and the invisible waves yet--creates sound, vibration and alters current in the body's electrical system.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs




DelilahDeb -> RE: Energy Play? (1/29/2008 12:51:54 PM)

You ask a good question, Shawna!

I'll have to try that tonight on my boy. The topic of energy exchange or sharing has come up repeatedly with a few of the more experienced players I'm fortunate enough to partner with. The difficulty of talking or writing about energy of those sorts (subtle, psychic, sexual, magical, pranic, mana, auric...choose a word and it will have its own vocabulary) is that "you had to be there." (As my Wiccan practice tries to describe similar concepts on occasion, it's about experiencing it, not cogitating it.)

OK, I'm going to give a few examples--and discuss them--from my own experiences of such subtleties.

* Scene: I'm working over a bottom with a variety of sensations--flogging, stroking, scratching, ear-chewing, tapping, pressure points, breathing hot, tickling, blowing cold, slapping, etc. He's well and truly sensitized, and his eyes are closed or he's blindfolded or I'm behind him. And all of his skin is really, thoroughly paying attention--the vision function is out of the way and I'm moving quietly about to avoid telegraphing my next action. And then I'll suddenly take the scruff of his neck (C3 and the meat atop it) into my mouth with lips and teeth and bite/suck for a vivid moment...and a shudder runs through his entire body as he suddenly goes erect and his knees buckle. If it's erotic enough to me, I'm likely to add some breast-to-skin stroking as a mutual reward.

That's one sort of energy play. I set it up, I knock it over, and I am rewarded by his own burst of shared energy: physical, sexual, and accepting.

* Witchy: An artisan friend once made me a knife--I did as much as possible of the work, but I had neither the skill nor the knowledge to do more than act, essentially, as blacksmith's apprentice for the one project. And whenever I couldn't do the actual work, there were assistant (flunky) tasks that I could do to aid the work so that I at least was present throughout the process. My friend claimed, during the early stages of design, to be a "psychic brick"...but when I was cranking the forge blower and the hammer in hir hand was flowing the red-hot metal on the anvil into the rough shape of my sketch, s/he spoke of feeling the way the metal wants to go and working with it instead of against it...and I challenged the smith with loving mockery: "And you call yourself a psychic brick!"

Energy--another sort of energy, the energy of supposedly inanimate objects interacting with our human purposes to create something. And that's another sort of energy. Some folks label that creativity, or inspiration (from one's indrawn breath when the light bulb goes on?), or the muse.

* Massage: Not sexual, not sensual, just looking to help someone feel better physically. I'll ask questions about how they feel, whether they have preferences in massage style (I first got into topping with folks who needed deeper massage work than I was comfortable getting myself), etc. And as my fingers and hands smooth and learn and soften the skin and surface layers of flesh, it seems to me (and I'll often close my eyes at times to avoid visual distraction) that it's as if my own nerves extend into my client's tissues, identifying small as well as large knots, and tracing out the links from those guarding but merely tense muscles along the painful threads to the connective tissue or cartilege or ? that's the source of that troubled bit, and guiding me to where and how releases are needed...and when a release occurs, the whole mass of tensed flesh changes texture (for want of a better word).

Yet another sort of energy...but. The commonalities are there.

I don't know whether I'm making any more sense to you, Shawna, than your own question asks. I hope I've at least given you something to think on.

Delilah Deb




Marsh -> RE: Energy Play? (1/29/2008 12:54:47 PM)

An interesting concept, LadyHugs, perhaps you would allow an e-mail on the other side, I would like to learn more. Or can you offer a site with in-depth detail?




SimplyMichael -> RE: Energy Play? (1/29/2008 2:53:33 PM)

Dear little people,

I did a class in front of two people the other day after having done a presentation at a convention of three people about energy play.  I rambled on for hours in generalities that really sound impressive but was careful never to get into specifics that someone might actually learn anything or be able to verify and find out I am full of shit.

There are lots of Eastern philosophies and even some American indian stuff  that discuss energy.
Tantric, Reiki, Toltec, Doist and god knows how many others.  In some places there are kinky people who teach Tantric and Reiki stuff with a kink bent but those things are dependent on living in a big city.  Try your local bookstore and just browse through stuff.  You can do a google search on those names and that will bury you under actual useable information and you won't need me to pontificate any more.

I have done some experimentations with the formal stuff but I think energy is simply a term for something Western science can't yet measure and Eastern philosophies manipulate but don't actually understand.  Sort of like a witch doctor who can do amazing things with herbs but doesn't understand the underlying "science" or physiology of what he is doing.

Anything that makes people more aware of themselves and their partners is a good thing.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Energy Play? (1/29/2008 3:15:58 PM)

While I classify myself as a sang (blood) vampire, blood donors are few and far between (for what should be obvious reasons). I often feed from energy between blood feedings. So, yes, I play with the energy. It can be intoxicating.

Master Fire




Statepalace -> RE: Energy Play? (1/29/2008 3:44:54 PM)

Raven Kaldera has published several books that either mention or deal directly with the subject. One of the more recent, I believe, is "Dark Moon Rising: Pagan BDSM and the Ordeal Path". It's on Amazon, and on my future reading list.

He also has a very wonderful and detail oriented article online called "The Invisible Toybox", and I think that it will give you a few ideas on how to actually incorporate energy into play. The links are below.

http://www.cauldronfarm.com/books.html

http://baphomet.tearmainn.com/toybox.html




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Energy Play? (1/29/2008 4:13:03 PM)

While I don't often do scenes specifically for energy play purposes, it's also very rare for me not to play without taking energy into account and having it be part of the scene.




beltainefaerie -> RE: Energy Play? (1/29/2008 4:20:19 PM)

As all my partners and I are pagan, we are familiar with energy work and incorporate it into play both naturally at times and with conscious effort at others.  I enjoy the intensity.




dawntreader -> RE: Energy Play? (1/30/2008 3:19:37 AM)

Greetings Michael,
 
While i have not conciously incorporated "energy play" into my sex life or bdsm play, i do work with energy daily in my Reiki and massage/accupressure work. Just finished studying basic eastern medicine and i feel pretty confident that they "understand" energy. It is not just something they casually manipulate. Just ask any accupuncturist[:)]
 
And while western medicine is far behind in energy work, they do have methodes of measureing it. Because energy actually carries a charge, it can be measured with a "PET" scan.
 
Energy is not simply "a term"....it is what we are, pure and simple~




sadomasokisti -> RE: Energy Play? (1/30/2008 4:31:23 AM)

I play quite often in high energy play.  My Mistress gets a good grip on my nipples, squeezes, twists and turns intensively while I touch her upper arms.  With this kind of play we create a enormous energy flow between us.




MistressVnus -> RE: Energy Play? (1/30/2008 4:50:40 AM)

Metaphysical energy transference.  We do it every time we touch someone.  Many times someone can "sense" something is wrong.  It happens in every exchange you have with every person.  However, it is usually done subconsciounsly and without guidance.
To me, this lifestyle, is the ULTIMATE in energy exchange and I am surprised more people are not "consciously" aware of it.
At least this thread doesn't indicate as large of an understanding of it as I would have thought.  What do you think "power exchange" is all about?  Just the decision making? 
It is a manipulation in energy.  Everytime I swing that flogger I am sending energy from my body to yours.  Even a swish of the cane in close enough proximity for you to "hear" it creates a wiggle in the energy field around you.  Hence, you flinch.  To have someone hooded, bound, in complete sens dep, and then quietly put your head or hand "near" their head, they will "sense" you there.
The neatest part is when you can learn to maniuplate energy on a conscious level.  I can "literally" make my hands "HOT" when I gear up for intense energy work.
Try meditation.  Get some meditation tapes that are geared for "light work" and how to clear your chakras.  Take a reiki class.  It's awsome stuff but it takes a little work to really begin to "consciously" manipulate it the way you want.  However, once you learn how to tap into it, it is totally awsome.  The good news is that ANYONE can do this.  Some, however, seem to have a more natural gift for it than others and don't have to work as hard at it.




Shammon5 -> RE: Energy Play? (1/30/2008 5:41:53 AM)

Thank you everyone who has replied so far! I loved reading your responses, and the links and book suggestions were very helpful (I really liked the invisible toybox article). So, how difficult is it to learn energy work? Does it require special training to do it well and safely? Also, I love reading the examples of how people incorporate it into their play (I've taken several interesting ideas to Sama already), so if it is not too personal, please tell me more. :-) What are some simple ways to incorporate energy into our own play? Thank you everyone again!

Shawna




viewfromthetop -> RE: Energy Play? (1/30/2008 5:47:46 AM)

Oh, wow. This is a hell of an interesting notion. I think I may need to do a bit of research on the subject before the next time I see my pet :D




MistressVnus -> RE: Energy Play? (1/30/2008 6:48:28 AM)

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So, how difficult is it to learn energy work?


The level of difficulty is different for each person. 
And with this I will make a quick note and close the subject.......
Those who seem to have a "quicker" ability to consciously manipulate energy seem to have strong belief systems regarding spirituality, universal energy, and the afterlife.  This is another thread completely, however, it is very relavent to understanding and learning to manipulate energy.  You can't do something you don't believe in.  Also, it would be wise to note here that one can engage in "dark" energy as well as "light" energy and to know the difference would be wise before goofing around with it lest you find yourself in a bad place.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Energy Play? (1/30/2008 7:02:51 AM)

DawnTreader, you wrote:

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Just finished studying basic eastern medicine and i feel pretty confident that they "understand" energy. It is not just something they casually manipulate. Just ask any accupuncturist


I never said they manipulate it casually, I think they do it quite effectively and things like acupuncture require extensive training.  I just think that what they think they are manipulating isn't what they are actually manipulating.

As for PET scans detecting the "energy" that Eastern medicine speaks of, I did a casual google search and found nothing, can you direct me to some links?




vtviceversa -> RE: Energy Play? (1/30/2008 8:25:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Shammon5

So, how difficult is it to learn energy work? Does it require special training to do it well and safely? What are some simple ways to incorporate energy into our own play?


One book I love: 'Urban Tantra' by Barbara Carellas. She does a lot with this, and is very very good at it. If you find a chance to attend one of her workshops, I'd strongly recommend that too.

I try and make the energy exchange the central part of all of my play. Of course, it doesn't always turn out that way as others don't always tune in that way - which is OK.

My ideal is to find others or a regular partner who really would like to work on this.

How difficult is it to learn? I'd say not at all difficult to learn. The key is practice practice practice. Every day.

Special training? Really depends on where you're going to take it. If it becomes part of a play practice that steps past the usual (if there is any such thing!) bounds of that particular play practice, then that might well require special training. If it is a willingness to increase your attunement, mutually or alone, then no.


Some simple ways to start:

- Learn to match your breathing with your partners. Sounds easy, really hard to do (just remembering to do it in the heat of a moment is the challenge!)
- Breath exercises. Daily really helps. Learning to breathe during sex is a really powerful tool.
- Control your orgasm. For men, this is stopping just prior to ejaculation. For women, it is pulling back just prior to climax (alas, I cannot speak to that as lived experience :) )
- Focused awareness. Can be simply done with direct, clear communication DURING sex, eg: "How are yo doing?" and, just as vital, a response that steps past the personal "That's good" and "Can you not do that and do this instead?"
- Total giving and total receiving. Very hard to do. When playing or for sex, learn to truly let go (as the receiver) or to truly let go to the receiver (as the giver). This invariably feels unnatural, as we all generally learn to expect and practice a process of simultaneous mutual reciprocity: while I give you X, you give me back Y. but when you let go, and become totally giving or totally receiving, especially if you cobine it with synchronized breathing, the change in energy is immediately apparent, very palpable.

But for me, as I note, this whole area of energy is the really good stuff.

Hope this helps.




crouchingtigress -> RE: Energy Play? (1/30/2008 9:44:30 AM)

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Also, I love reading the examples of how people incorporate it into their play (I've taken several interesting ideas to Sama already),


before i begin a scene with either of my boi/ys, i like to start with deep eye contact.
then i have them place their hand on my heart and adjust thier heart beat to mine, this takes a minute to three.
then i put my hand on thier heart while thiers is on mine and i ask...are you willing
at this point i m starting to float....so are they
when i receive a yes answer we breathe...
i have the person close his or her eyes and relax, as i administer some sort crescendo of pain ( digging into muscle tissue very slowly and deeply and fully)
this releases endorphins...drifty endorphins....
here the person is very suggestible, if you have anything you want to discus or behavior modification to work on this is a great space to do it in...a healing space.
but if i want something edgier i take out a blade or a needle this releases adrenalin, adrenaline wakes the brain up a little and this is a great place to have the submissive focus fully upon me...acute focus is also a meditation, just looks different
i look at it like the two ends of a piano key board and all the keys in between is our symphony, anything i want it to be....but because to open that door to the subconcscious it is a wonderful space to do all sorts of magic in.
i think bdsm takes on a whole new dimension when you and your partners are spirit workers. but i would not recommend this path for those that are not trained in shamanistic work.
things i have help heal and been healed in that magic space include:

rape
frigidity
broken slave
death of a parent
abandonment
aids and other life sucking illness
helping a man who could not cry
paranoia of spiders
loss of children
death of a lover


if you ar going to begin to explore energetic play deeper then the cursory yum lets use this to get high and have hot sex, then i encourage you to figure out what you want out of your life, what is holding you back, and where would you like to go with your partner.

i encourage you to write me on the other side with these answers, and also what paths you have explored, religious, meditation, tantra, ordeal, obe, ect....anything where you were acutely aware that the world you thought you knew changed ever so slightly and you realized you were a spirit having a human experience not a human having a spiritual experience.

you are not alone there are some very good people who are blending magic, healing and shamanism with bdsm arts...and going amazing places...for me at least the risk has been well worth the reward.




ExSteelAgain -> RE: Energy Play? (1/30/2008 11:15:49 AM)

Thanks CrouchingTigress. That was detailed, descriptive and informative.




DaggerDom -> RE: Energy Play? (1/30/2008 2:15:09 PM)

We've been doing energy play for years, often without touching the bottom with anything more than the beam of a flashlight.

Years ago there was healing technique developed called Therapeutic Touch which uses the relationship between the energy field of the healer and patient to produce a phsycial result.  I adapted that to play and in truth there is nothing more fun that watching the bottom squirm without touching her and a bunch of DMs standing around with their thumbs up their rear ends trying to figure out what the hell I am doing. 

But the real fun part of energy work is that you don't have to worry about consent.  Everyone in any location is fair game.  We gave some poor nilla chick sitting at the bar where we have our Slosh such a powerful, sudden orgasm from across the room that she fell off the stool!

With energy play, the world is our playspace.




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