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pahunkboy -> cell phone police, wifi porn law (1/23/2008 5:00:06 PM)

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if you are stopped for a trafficstop- police can search your phone!

2.  congress making wifi content --well-argh.

the page has some good info



CuriousLord -> RE: cell phone police, wifi porn law (1/23/2008 5:12:16 PM)

Okay, I'm a bit lost on the second article.

It says that hentai is the big issue.  Now is this because a lot of young people perfer hentai over old fashion porn (and is obscene because minors are viewing it), or is it obscene to anyone (like other forms of illegal porn)?



camille65 -> RE: cell phone police, wifi porn law (1/23/2008 5:13:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

Okay, I'm a bit lost on the second article.

It says that hentai is the big issue.  Now is this because a lot of young people perfer hentai over old fashion porn (and is obscene because minors are viewing it), or is it obscene to anyone (like other forms of illegal porn)?
 I've seen some seriously obscene hentai, but that begs the question of it if isn't real, then is it real?



AquaticSub -> RE: cell phone police, wifi porn law (1/23/2008 5:18:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: camille65

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

Okay, I'm a bit lost on the second article.

It says that hentai is the big issue.  Now is this because a lot of young people perfer hentai over old fashion porn (and is obscene because minors are viewing it), or is it obscene to anyone (like other forms of illegal porn)?
 I've seen some seriously obscene hentai, but that begs the question of it if isn't real, then is it real?


It's just drawings. Not my cup of tea but *shrugs*. Seems like a much better way of letting those who get off on extreme porn have their jollies than the alternative.



CuriousLord -> RE: cell phone police, wifi porn law (1/23/2008 5:18:46 PM)

Yeah.. I saw a badly mislabelled one on Google images one time.  (I can't remember what I was searching for, but that definately wasn't it.)

Actually, I'd say what it was of, but I think it'd violate the ToS several times over, just like the actual picture would do to someone's eyes.  But a truly sadistic pedophile would've loved it.

This said, I have nothing against hentai, even if that one picture did make me regret seeing it pretty quickly.
 
Also, if anyone didn't know, "hentai" = cartoon porn, generally leaning towards a Japanese drawing style.



Gwynvyd -> RE: cell phone police, wifi porn law (1/23/2008 5:40:20 PM)

Ok folks.. here is where we gnash our teeth and bemoan the nanny state we are becoming and the "Thought police"

Any one? any one? Beuller?

I thought AT&T was some stupid BS now the govt wants them all to do it. Greeeeeat. AT&T were always the ass kissers.

Oh the poor children! Think of the children!

Put a freaking pass word on your PC and be there when the lil bastards surf. Install Net Nanny you bloody wankers. do not take away my God Given right to be an adult and fast access speeds because some jerkoff can't raise thier kid properly.

On the cell phones that has been in the works for a long long time. It is why all of the Um.. interesting stuff gets deleted.

If you are a police officer and you pull over a drug runner you should be able to look at the mofo's cell phone.

Gwyn




Stephann -> RE: cell phone police, wifi porn law (1/23/2008 6:51:34 PM)

A quick few tidbits:

Hentai = Hen (in this context, meaning weird; something 'hen' is something creepy, weird, or gross.)  tai = 'appearance'.  The actual cartoons stem from laws that prohibit sexual display of genitals.  Since pornographers aren't permitted to show actual genitalia (breasts are ok, though) hentai cartoons are permissible, since they don't show real genitals.

While cartoon sex sounds harmless enough, obviously people who acquire a taste for it often (as with any other pornography) develop a desire for heavier and more extreme types.  Since there aren't actual actors being used, the 'age' of the actors is no longer an issue.  Schoolgirls in hentai can actually be 12 years old, since no actual child is used in the making of the show.  Yet, this violates US obscenity laws for depicting images of minors.

Oh, on the cell phone thing?  Duh.  If you had a handwritten letter from your drug dealer on you talking about the next shipment, would you expect that to be excluded?  What about your laptop?  Of course not.

Stephan



CuriousLord -> RE: cell phone police, wifi porn law (1/23/2008 7:02:38 PM)

Ah, good.  I was afraid that hentai itself may've been declared illegal, regardless of who is depicted.  (While I'm not diehard anti-Bush, his policy on sexuality does strike me as awfully prudish and other law makers aren't always much better.)

If so, half of the guys in college would need to have been arrested.  Could've converted the dorms to jail cells, I suppose.  :P

PS-  .."converted the dorms to jail cells"..?  Just what the hell was I thinking?  We're all set as-is.



Alumbrado -> RE: cell phone police, wifi porn law (1/23/2008 11:26:13 PM)

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if you are stopped for a trafficstop- police can search your phone!


Not really... even the article admits that they are actually talking about search incident to an arrest (which is old news), not a run of the mill ticket-issuing traffic stop.

And the USSC has ruled that unless something more than the ticket develops, the police can't just blindly piggy back onto the traffic stop.



laurell3 -> RE: cell phone police, wifi porn law (1/24/2008 3:42:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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if you are stopped for a trafficstop- police can search your phone!


Not really... even the article admits that they are actually talking about search incident to an arrest (which is old news), not a run of the mill ticket-issuing traffic stop.

And the USSC has ruled that unless something more than the ticket develops, the police can't just blindly piggy back onto the traffic stop.


Exactly.  Searches incident to a stop are usually for officer safety unless there's something else found that would warrant a further search.  Unless you think a gun is going to pop out of a cellphone's contents, it's questionable.  Searches pursuant to warrant have to include the parameters.  I'm guessing like searching any other area one would have to include a compelling reason why these areas should be included. Searches pursuant to arrest are different.  This article attempts to say that because in Finley (a drug sale related arrest) the court allowed search of a cellphone's contents that officers can do that in any traffic offense.  I don't believe that's remotely close to being true although the supremes have stated a citation is in fact an "arrest" technically, it's not a wholesale license to search indiscriminately.  Different jurisdictions interpret the USSC rulings differently, however, I can tell you positively there would be no way that would get past a motion to suppress here unless there was other evidence that such a search was warranted.



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