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Phoenix2raven -> RE: Crafting a BDSM relationship (1/23/2008 12:03:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

So I'm the only shallow chick here who is so turned on by his list of tools that she couldn't even read the "meat" of the post at the end??  [sm=dance.gif]

Cali
(who knows if he had muttered DeWalt she would have seriously swooned)



he had me at "ball peen hammer."
raven

actually a very wonderful post :) and tools are SEXXY




Maya2001 -> RE: Crafting a BDSM relationship (1/23/2008 12:36:38 PM)

And even with only limited tools on hand along with the right inspiration you can create beautiful magic if you heart is in it.  A gift I made for my granddaughter when she  was a toddler http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/mleg2001/crafts/110417876OoITnd_ph.jpg





subtee -> RE: Crafting a BDSM relationship (1/23/2008 12:42:06 PM)

Very cool metaphor.

Beautiful....




ExSteelAgain -> RE: Crafting a BDSM relationship (1/23/2008 12:50:49 PM)

Homer Formby would rub tung oil on a piece of stripped down furniture with the best of um. Sure, a relationship makes D/s so much better. It takes time to begin and to oil in a way where it shines with details combined to create an heirloom feel. 




Noah -> RE: Crafting a BDSM relationship (1/23/2008 4:55:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
...I thought I would post this about woodworking tools.
 


Thanks for a wonderful post, Michael.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Crafting a BDSM relationship (1/23/2008 10:02:42 PM)

Thanks Noah, coming from you that is high praise!  You and I are classic examples of very different approaches with very different tools and yet I think most would see us as "doing good work" to stretch the metaphor a bit too far.





SimplyMichael -> RE: Crafting a BDSM relationship (1/23/2008 10:34:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

So I'm the only shallow chick here who is so turned on by his list of tools that she couldn't even read the "meat" of the post at the end??  [sm=dance.gif]

Cali
(who knows if he had muttered DeWalt she would have seriously swooned)



How did you know I always put the meat in the "end"? 




CalifChick -> RE: Crafting a BDSM relationship (1/24/2008 5:04:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

How did you know I always put the meat in the "end"? 


I've been... ummm... sitting on this response for a while.  Wondering if I should apologize for derailing... or umm... meat... end... what was I going to say??

Cali
(has a strange desire to go perv the sausage at the butcher shop)




Kalista07 -> RE: Crafting a BDSM relationship (1/24/2008 5:09:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

I've been... ummm... sitting on this response for a while.  Wondering if I should apologize for derailing... or umm... meat... end... what was I going to say??

Cali
(has a strange desire to go perv the sausage at the butcher shop)



GEESH Cali.....Whatdya think we are stupid??? We all know that's not what You've been sitting on...




Prinsexx -> RE: Crafting a BDSM relationship (1/24/2008 5:33:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

With all this talk of tools like safewords, negotiation, mentors and the rest, I thought I would post this about woodworking tools.
 
I have about 10 different hammers and mallets, not counting the half dozen or so for working metal.  I have five hammers starting with a 2 lb sledgehammer, a 16 oz. claw, a 12 oz. ball peen, a non marring brass hammer and for driving tacks, a delicate 3 1/2 oz. warrington hammer.  For mallets I also have five different ones, a light and a heavy dead blow rubber mallet, a rawhide mallet, a hornbeam carving mallet, and a general-purpose beechwood mallet.
 
I have all sorts of saws, a massive buck saw for felling trees, a few old style handsaws, one for ripping and a couple for crosscutting, a reversible backsaw, a veneer saw, a Japanese Ryobi, duzuki, and kugihiki, a fret saw, a jeweler’s saw, and of course all the various powered saws.
 
It is the same with chisels, I have sets for paring, chopping, mortising, short butt chisels, special purpose chisels like skew and dogleg chisels, sets dedicated to carving or for using on the lathe.  Rasps, files, drill bits, router bits, forstner bits and the list goes on, all in a myriad variety, many doing the same or similar tasks as other tools and implements.
 
I have, in some cases, upgraded my tools, others I have moved beyond or abandoned and in most cases have settled on a particular technique and tool that works for me on any given task.  My choices are different than others, my skills are different, what is and is not important to me is different than others.
 
There are craftsman who produce beautiful work with tools I have decided are worthless or inferior.  There are people with much nicer tools than I, who produce schlock.  The point is that a craftsman often uses different tools and techniques to achieve the same result and that my choices, while different, are not necessarily better or worse than another’s.  Finally, a craftsman’s goals are often different, some strive for elegance, others for utility, some to recreate some piece out of antiquity, others to push forward and create something new.
 
 
 Some choices are better than others, hammers don’t make good saws, and chisels don’t make good screwdrivers.  Shaping a piece of wood can be done in so many ways, chiseling, scraping, filing, planing or sanding but all result in the same form.  So, to judge a person’s craft, one must know a great deal about them and their goals, sometimes that judgment is easy, other times it is much harder.  I think that the relative happiness and or fulfillment of those involved isn’t a bad place to start rather than which tool they used to get there.

I read this with interest as it was a great insight into your relationship with 'tools'. It was a relationship with hammers and saws and screwdrivers about which i know nothing and i have very few insights.

Actually i think i really am what Master calls a 'dyspraxic cunt.' Maybe it means i don't know one end of a good screw from the other. But i do understand what you mean by
hammers don’t make good saws, and chisels don’t make good screwdrivers. Dominants don't make good submissives and submissives don't make good doimamts. (Humour me please). Switches make good 'both' so maybe this is what He means by being a dypraxic cunt and as i take all his humilaitions as compliments i am fine with being any sort of cunt He wants to use me as.

Howver: the question of experience being equated with skill: now there's the rub. Afew days ago, during a telephone negotiation i was being addressed by a dominant who seemed to be saying that he had had many years of experience in the lifestyle: that he could use a flogger, a nine tail, a cane, tie various knots, had never once transgressed a submissive's limits and had trained this that and the other, and his slave was a non-limit slave anyway....etc....i replied politely that he had said that before, that, foregive me, but he had no need to prove how expert a dominant he was by the skills he had; that number of years in the lifestyle did not necessarily mean expertise and that i, myself, liked to think of every experience as if it were the first.

The question then occrred to me that IF one could somehow prove, or suggest one's expertise as a domiant by ability to use this or that device then how could one ever prove oneself as a submissive?

I rounded off the conversation by saying that i also was not prepared to prove my expertise by the amount of pain i was willing to take or indeed by having no limits. If anything the reverse is true: as i experiement and gain a beter understanding of my 'tools' i understand my tools to be my tolerance, my stamina, my acceptance, my non-dissentive behaviour, my willingness whilst in submission, and thay are indeed intangibles and they are indeed ways of being rather than ways of having.

But above all else it is my happines and so i am echoing your words also: it is my state of fulfilment when i serve others including making myself an object for their moulding and shaping and their re-definement of me when i am in submissive mode.




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