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Gwynvyd -> RE: Same sex vs Hetero relationship study (1/23/2008 5:15:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave The raison d'etre for the change to the law was as you indicate an attempt to equalise rights But homosexual and heterosexual formal relationships are not equivelant. This fact, as you point out, has long been recognised by both "antiquated" organisations and society in general in context over many hundreds if not thousands of years. Therefore the "rights" arguement is another PC red herring. It is true that to criminalise homosexuality is mistaken and has caused untold suffering but it does not follow that such relationships should be considered "normal" since plainly they are not when viewed from the underlying reason for sexual activity, which is not pleasure but procreation. Therefore it seems to me that those in legislative power chose to favour those with whom, if "common knowledge" is to be believed, they have a great deal of sympathy. As an example it was noted that two sisters who had live chastely together were now at a disadvantage when compared with lesbian or male homosexual couples who had entered into a social contract. That is what I meant. Ok.. 2 sisters are 2 individuals. Seperate in every way. a couple be they hetrosexual or gay is a couple. Have combined thier lives in such a way that they do deserve certain protections and tax breaks. Saying that a gay couple is less, or un-natural or outside of the norm in any way due to not being able to procreate is the biggest load of bullshit generaly used by those who wish to discriminate. First, a gay couple can adopt. A Lesbian couple can get inseminated. They can be parents just as every bit and just as well as any hetrosexual couple. Secondly not every hetrosexual couple produces a child. Is thier marriage a sham if they do not? Simply because they are sterile, or chose not to have a child are they un-natural for being together? If so what should we do with all of the sterile men and women? Put them on an island some where with all the gays? ( I am sorry but I have had this arguement brought up too many times on a very personal level.) I believe only the Christian Bible has that lovely passage about go forth and be fruitful, and people have been bashing others over the head with it for ages. It also says stone your child if they get lippy or snide.. Last time I noticed no one in the Western world was putting Tommy and Suzie out in the street and stoning them to death for not eating thier peas. Not everyone is a Christian. People forget that. When we begin to see every law as a Canon law then we screw up society. Keep the Church out of my government, and I will stay out of your churches bitching about the hypocrisy of prejudice. Gwyn

AquaticSub -> RE: Same sex vs Hetero relationship study (1/23/2008 5:20:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop yeah, me either... I wonder how much money was spent to discover what most of us already knew?? LOL You know... I thought most knew that. And then I went out to do a hobby I've dreamed about since I was a little girl. And realized that if I ever got a girlfriend, I wouldn't be able to breathe a word about it there.

AquaticSub -> RE: Same sex vs Hetero relationship study (1/23/2008 5:22:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop hell, a lot of women go through promiscuous stages too... just they are less inclined to to talk about it (that whole virginal thing that society as a whole is hung up on..LOL). Of all the committed couples I know, it's the GAY couples that have been together for ages. Most of the het couples are on their second or third LTR (in one case, he's on his 5th, she's on her 7th). Yes, in my circle there are gay couples that have gone through breakups...but as a rule, those breakups have generally come after 20 yrs or more of commitment. just my .02 :) Not to mention, if having sex meant no chance of having a baby, my number of previous partners would probably be triple what it is. If this was an age where STIs weren't really known about, I'm certain it would be.

seeksfemslave -> RE: Same sex vs Hetero relationship study (1/23/2008 5:32:16 PM)
quote: Gynnvyd Ok.. 2 sisters are 2 individuals. Seperate in every way. I have heard many sisters say that their relationship is a very very intimate "thing" indeed. So naturally I cant accept your point. PC thinking on matters sexual has been a disaster. Clearly if I didnt deviate from the norm in some way I would not be here on CM but I still recognise the need for social stability and normality. What should be encouraged is tolerance for deviance, not preference.

GreedyTop -> RE: Same sex vs Hetero relationship study (1/23/2008 6:08:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop hell, a lot of women go through promiscuous stages too... just they are less inclined to to talk about it (that whole virginal thing that society as a whole is hung up on..LOL). Of all the committed couples I know, it's the GAY couples that have been together for ages. Most of the het couples are on their second or third LTR (in one case, he's on his 5th, she's on her 7th). Yes, in my circle there are gay couples that have gone through breakups...but as a rule, those breakups have generally come after 20 yrs or more of commitment. just my .02 :) Not to mention, if having sex meant no chance of having a baby, my number of previous partners would probably be triple what it is. If this was an age where STIs weren't really known about, I'm certain it would be. that makes 2 of us LOL

Stephann -> RE: Same sex vs Hetero relationship study (1/23/2008 6:28:24 PM)
Briefly, this says a lot to me: "But gay and lesbian couples not in civil unions were more likely than same-sex couples in civil unions or heterosexuals who were married to end their relationships, according to the study." I don't think this is a function of gay's verses straight, so much as it is the result of how new (a few decades of social acceptance in the Western world, vice nearly ten thousand years of social evolution) the social mechanics of same sex relationships are. In effect, there's no long term, heavy social standard demanding gays to remain committed and faithful (and the opposition to civil unions from conservatives only make the situation worse.) Stephan

lazarus1983 -> RE: Same sex vs Hetero relationship study (1/24/2008 3:54:55 AM)
Well hell, I must have gotten the short end of the stick. My adopted mother, a lesbian, went through partner after partner after partner, each one worse than the last. Ah, fond memories of MY childhood!

Gwynvyd -> RE: Same sex vs Hetero relationship study (1/24/2008 7:41:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lazarus1983 Well hell, I must have gotten the short end of the stick. My adopted mother, a lesbian, went through partner after partner after partner, each one worse than the last. Ah, fond memories of MY childhood! That can happen to anyone as a child living with a single parent. Gay or straight. How many news stories do we see of these young women with boyfriends who abuse or kill thier girlfriends kids? What at least twice a week some big news story of kids ending up dead. At least in my area.. mother goes off to work, scum bag boyfriend kills the kid. There are commitment phobes and people with realtionship issues on both sides of the fence. As we have always tried to make people realize.. gay or straight.... people are just that people. Being straight doesnt make you cosmicly better or worse then a gay person in any way. Nor does being gay make you cosmicaly any better or any worse then a straight person. Wonderful people and wankers alike abound in both groups. ~simply because they are humans. Gwyn

GreedyTop -> RE: Same sex vs Hetero relationship study (1/24/2008 7:49:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lazarus1983 Well hell, I must have gotten the short end of the stick. My adopted mother, a lesbian, went through partner after partner after partner, each one worse than the last. Ah, fond memories of MY childhood! OT, but I gotta say I just adore Heinlein :)

lazarus1983 -> RE: Same sex vs Hetero relationship study (1/24/2008 1:35:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd quote: ORIGINAL: lazarus1983 Well hell, I must have gotten the short end of the stick. My adopted mother, a lesbian, went through partner after partner after partner, each one worse than the last. Ah, fond memories of MY childhood! That can happen to anyone as a child living with a single parent. Gay or straight. How many news stories do we see of these young women with boyfriends who abuse or kill thier girlfriends kids? What at least twice a week some big news story of kids ending up dead. At least in my area.. mother goes off to work, scum bag boyfriend kills the kid. There are commitment phobes and people with realtionship issues on both sides of the fence. As we have always tried to make people realize.. gay or straight.... people are just that people. Being straight doesnt make you cosmicly better or worse then a gay person in any way. Nor does being gay make you cosmicaly any better or any worse then a straight person. Wonderful people and wankers alike abound in both groups. ~simply because they are humans. Gwyn Oh of course. I don't judge an entire group of people just based on the sorry show my mother is, and her even sorrier bag of partners. Regardless of sex, they're still people, and that alone qualifies them for all the rights and priviledges I enjoy. Plus, anybody/anything that organized religion is opposed to, I support. Rule of thumb, and it's never done me wrong.

beargonewild -> RE: Same sex vs Hetero relationship study (1/24/2008 2:03:41 PM)
~FR~ I find I am very suspicious regarding the data collected for these studies which analyze the differences between gay and straight couples. More specifically the one which the OP posted. I do wish it becomes a wide spread acceptance of the fact that with any survey, the data is always biased in one way or another. Quite often, even the raw data collected is also greatly skewed and not very accurate especially when surveying people who do identify as gay or lesbian. Even in this modern age, nobody accurately knows the exact percentage of the world's population who are gay. Even the top experts can only conclude a rough estimate of 10 percent. My thought is when you look at the male section of the population, specifically young males for example, it is only a segment of that group who are out partying, acting promiscuous and not yet ready to settle down and commit to a life partner. One can't take the actions of this small portion and apply it to the whole. Granted promiscuity is widespread, though the reasons for this is too numerous to take into account. And to make to start using sexual orientation as a contributing factor, I feel is completely inappropriate and disastrous and just sets the scene for controversy.

Stephann -> RE: Same sex vs Hetero relationship study (1/24/2008 2:08:46 PM)
As a brief thought, the issue of young heterosexual men being more promiscuous than their female counterparts... exactly who do you think these young promiscuous men are having sex with?... Stephan

beargonewild -> RE: Same sex vs Hetero relationship study (1/24/2008 3:01:42 PM)
grins Oops, that was an error of omission on my part. I was trying to get my thoughts down in a way to make sense and wasn't paying too close attention to the fact I had inadvertently omitted the female equation. My apologies.

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