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taser proof clothes? - 1/21/2008 11:41:00 AM

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/21/2008 11:45:40 AM

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/21/2008 12:06:17 PM

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Hmm...instead of the tinfoil beanie...the tinfoil suit!

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/21/2008 12:21:27 PM

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Funny thing is most of the people who get tazed ( drunks and gang bangers) will never be able to afford this.

How about we teach the police when to and when not to taze folks instead?

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/21/2008 12:29:11 PM

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lol, I wish they had actually showed what the suit looked like... it has to be fashionable.

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/21/2008 12:34:51 PM

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How about those suits they wore on Lost In Space ?

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/21/2008 1:19:15 PM

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Not only cannot most people afford them, many communities will make it illegal to own or
wear tazer proof clothes, just like they do with bodyamour.

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/21/2008 1:37:10 PM

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Not only cannot most people afford them, many communities will make it illegal to own or
wear tazer proof clothes, just like they do with bodyamour.

is body amor illegal to wear in public? a sword probaly cant be carried...

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/21/2008 3:29:20 PM

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Yes, in many places, especially big cities with high crime rates it is illegal to wear bodyarmour
withought being licensed or permitted to do so.

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/21/2008 6:47:44 PM

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Idk...in Louisville, the police are killing people left and right. (in many ways, including taser)
I say, go for it!!!

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p.s. (if you're a Louisville cop, my real name is George, and I'm a 6'2" male who likes to bake cakes.) REALLY

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/21/2008 6:57:24 PM

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If they can't taser you, they might just shoot you instead. Go back to doing it the old fashioned way, you know?

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/21/2008 9:12:52 PM

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Yes, in many places, especially big cities with high crime rates it is illegal to wear bodyarmour
withought being licensed or permitted to do so.

I believe you are mistaken. While it's illegal in the US for some convicted felons to wear body armor and wearing it in the commission of certain crimes will earn the wearer penalty enhancements, it is not illegal for John Q. Citizen to purchase or wear body armor.

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/21/2008 9:37:06 PM

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I used to be in law enforcement.. and with all of the stories in the press.. and mind you the press sensationizes what it wants... when it wants.. and it goes for what ever is "sexy" or "Hot" at the moment. ( I was also a media whore once apon a time.. *shudders* ) I think many departments and systems need more training, better equiptment, and more officers on the streets. Tasers are used in the first place so officers do not have to "get physical" with suspects esp when out numbered, by themselves, or if they feel endangered. Some use it because ( in my opinion) they are just too damn lazy to do a normal take down. Normal take downs also run the risk of hurting you and the suspect. With a taser it shocks them, you cuff them. No workmans comp to be filed because some bastard knocked the crap out of your knee. I can understand that to a point. but it shouldnt be used for that reason honestly. I didnt go back into police work because I am too damn gimpy to do take downs, and jump fences. ~ Mind you I can still do a leg sweep on a 6'8 400lb mofo if so inclined.. and I have. But damn not all night long. Mama is broken ya know? I'd tase some asshole before I'd run after the SOB. LOL

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/21/2008 9:50:58 PM

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This actually isn't such a bad idea. I'll have to steal it. :D

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/21/2008 9:52:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Yes, in many places, especially big cities with high crime rates it is illegal to wear bodyarmour
withought being licensed or permitted to do so.

I believe you are mistaken. While it's illegal in the US for some convicted felons to wear body armor and wearing it in the commission of certain crimes will earn the wearer penalty enhancements, it is not illegal for John Q. Citizen to purchase or wear body armor.

~stef

Yeah, I have a vest. I never use it but I have one.
It's from the 1980's and heavy though.
I picked it out of a dumpster in the CG when they upgraded to the new model vests which were lighter.
They shit-canned all the old ones, there must have been a hundred of them in there.
Those things would really slow you down though.
And if we fell into the water on a boarding we were instructed to "ditch the vest", that's why we wore them on the outside so we could jettison them quickly.

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/22/2008 6:11:24 AM

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Last time I looked at the armor market-the general public CANNOT purchase state of the art vests that the police wear. The armor market is broken into two segments-soft armor and hard armor. Soft armor used to be much larger than the hard armor market but this is pre 9/11 and invading Iraq. Soft armor are woven flexible fibers such as Kevlar or these days, Spectra (UHMWPE)/aramid blends. The vests weigh a few pounds- don't know how popular they are to wear- suspect that most cops still don't- it's a relatively safe job after all.

Hard armor consists of a nylon vests with pockets sewn in for ceramic plates. This is military armor- the idea is that the ceramic plate takes the impact of a rifle slug and distributes it over a larger surface (actually, soft armor does the same thing but it's cut resistant as well). I suspect that the issue with the ceramic armor is still that it's only good for one hit and then needs to be replaced since it's cracked.

In terms of what the public can buy-AFAIK military surplus vests are available- essentially the WWII flak jackets of WWII which I think were about 20 lbs and were made of nylon. I suspect that the laws regarding vests may vary from community to community but since WWII stuff is legal, I'm not sure why more modern stuff is illegal- you just can't buy it from the mfg.

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/22/2008 7:12:01 AM

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The Tazer doesn't work so you get pepper sprayed instead (I'd rather be tazed). Or you wind up like Rodney King who was tazered 2 times with no effect prior to the officers getting more physical with him.

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/22/2008 8:11:37 AM

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That will just give them the excuse to shoot the tazer in the neck... or face...If you cover the face and walk around starting trouble dressed up like a night of the round table they may just decide bullets will work a little better.

Just follow the law and instructions and you will be fine...mouth off and spout your rights under the law and constitution then expect a little persuasion.

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/22/2008 9:00:56 AM

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Last time I looked at the armor market-the general public CANNOT purchase state of the art vests that the police wear.

While I wouldn't exactly call what the police are currently wearing "state of the art," I can pick up my Galls catalog and order the latest products from Second Chance, Point Blank, PACA and several other manufacturers which equal or exceed what your average LEO wears on duty. Many have the option of adding ceramic or aramid wrapped titanium level IV hard plate as well. Hell, you can buy body armor/plate on Ebay of all places.

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In terms of what the public can buy-AFAIK military surplus vests are available- essentially the WWII flak jackets of WWII which I think were about 20 lbs and were made of nylon. I suspect that the laws regarding vests may vary from community to community but since WWII stuff is legal, I'm not sure why more modern stuff is illegal- you just can't buy it from the mfg.

Whether or not a manufacturer only makes their products available through dealers or sells directly to the customer is not the issue. That aside, can you point me to any statute that states, aside from the exceptions I previously stated, that it is illegal to own any particular type of body armor?

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RE: taser proof clothes? - 1/22/2008 1:23:00 PM

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Hi Stef

I did some digging on body armor for a project about a decade ago. I don't know how much things have changed since then. Wikipedia says that soft armor is legit for anyone other than a convicted felon to own, but then I ran across this tidbit.....

In terms of the original question though- I'll bet it wouldn't be that hard to come up with some fabrics with something conductive woven in- maybe some nickel coated carbon fiber would work. Might have to deal with only black or silver clothing....

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