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popeye1250 -> RE: taser proof clothes? (1/22/2008 1:41:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: samboct

Hi Stef

I did some digging on body armor for a project about a decade ago.  I don't know how much things have changed since then.  Wikipedia says that soft armor is legit for anyone other than a convicted felon to own, but then I ran across this tidbit.....

In terms of the original question though- I'll bet it wouldn't be that hard to come up with some fabrics with something conductive woven in- maybe some nickel coated carbon fiber would work.  Might have to deal with only black or silver clothing....

Sam







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Ballistic Vest Search Warrants Served



The Department of Defense announced today that agents from the departments Inspector Generals Defense Criminal Investigative Service (DCIS) and other military criminal investigative organizations executed search warrants in seven states as part of an ongoing investigation into the illegal sale of stolen military ballistic protective equipment on Internet auction sites.
DCIS agents, working with agents from the Naval Criminal Investigative Service and the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command, launched a multi-state execution of search warrants in Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, New York, North Carolina, Texas and Wisconsin. There were 27 subject interviews conducted in various states and two arrests warrants were executed.

The investigative activities this week are the culmination of covert operation High Bidder, conducted by the DCIS since July 2003. This operation has identified individuals who have attempted to sell military issued outer tactical vests (OTVs) and/or small arm protective Inserts (SAPIs) over the Internet. To date, the operation has executed 30 search warrants and prosecuted seven individuals. Subjects included current and former military members and civilians. This investigation is ongoing.

The OTV is a ballistic vest consisting of a Kevlar weave; SAPI are lightweight ceramic plates that can be placed in the pockets of the vests to provide additional protection to the chest and back area. When used in conjunction with the OTV, the SAPI is designed to protect the user from multiple impacts from high-velocity, high-impact ammunition. The OTV and SAPI are currently used by U.S. military personnel in military operations throughout the world and have proven in combat to save lives.

OTVs and SAPIs made exclusively for the U.S. government are not for sale to the general public. Once the items have lost their shelf life or have been returned by military personnel, they are demilitarized by total destruction through shredding and/or shearing, to prevent the item from being restored to usable condition. They are stolen government property if possessed or sold outside the military or law enforcement agencies.


So is our government saying that "civilians" shouldn't have the right to protect themselves?
After all, who PAYS for that stuff?




samboct -> RE: taser proof clothes? (1/22/2008 4:58:27 PM)

Popeye

When I was talking to companies gathering info 10 years back, several of them were quite adamant that they would only sell to law enforcement agencies.  Their rationale was that criminals were more likely to commit crimes wearing these vests.  I always thought that was a specious bit of logic, and I kinda doubt that a criminal wearing a vest is more likely to get into a gunbattle with a cop- this is all Hollywood stuff for the most part.  On the other hand, if I worked as a NYC cabdriver, gas station jockey in a bad part of town, or in a convenience store- then I think wearing one might not be a bad idea.

It's like the rat-a-tat guns.  The military and police are up in arms (OK, bad pun) about civilians owning assault weapons but the reality is that only wealthy gun nuts can afford them anyway- a box of 9 mm ammo isn't cheap- and they can run through it fast.  And how many holdups outside of TV or Hollywood actually carried these things?

I wonder- if you short out a taser with a conductive garment- does that cause the crummy gidget to overheat?  Might be kind of fun... (sorry Gwynn- my experience with police officers has not been stellar and most folks would consider me a reasonably law abiding gent.)

Sam




Vendaval -> RE: taser proof clothes? (1/22/2008 7:42:37 PM)

What if the common citizens shrink wrapped themselves in teflon?  [sm=meh.gif]




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