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Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 4:19:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		WASHINGTON - A special commission is urging the government to raise federal gasoline taxes by as much as 40 cents per gallon over five years as part of a sweeping overhaul designed to ease traffic congestion and repair the nation's decaying bridges and roads.

The two-year study being released Tuesday by the National Surface Transportation Policy and Revenue Study Commission, the first to recommend broad changes after the devastating bridge collapse in Minneapolis last August, warns that urgent action is needed to avoid future disasters.

Under the recommendation, the current tax of 18.4 cents per gallon for unleaded gasoline would be increased annually for five years — by anywhere from 5 cents to 8 cents each year — and then indexed to inflation afterward to help fix the infrastructure, expand public transit and highways as well as broaden railway and rural access, according to persons with direct knowledge of the report, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the report is not yet public.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080115/ap_on_go_ot/transportation_safety

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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 8:04:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dexed for inflation?  ha!  IMO a .10 increase now would be appropriate.

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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 8:07:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why not affix a 2$ a gallon tax to gas, to fund the war in Iraq?  After all, that's really why we care what happens in the Middle East anyway, right?

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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 8:10:11 AM   
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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 8:12:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		The thing is with all these revenue builders is the intention seems to always get lost. In NY fr'instance, voters approved Lotterys way back when, with the thought they were doing education revenue building. Unfortunately, the money didnt go to the education fund. It went into the general fund.  And a lot of the money in the lottery program goes for maintaing the lottery prgram.  So I would guess the money collected for road building thru a gas tax, would go simply for mainting the office that oversees the gas tax.  Just my two cents.

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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 8:16:25 AM   
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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 8:34:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks to tolls and gas tax, we all pay road use fees. Boo hiss. Im doing the best I can to offset them. 

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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 8:46:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		If we just ended "foreign aid" that would be $34.6 billion per year that would be freed up for infra-structure in this country.
Or, we could also stop "nationbuilding" in Iraq and save about $100 B per year building highways, bridges, schools and hospitals in that country instead of our own country.

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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 8:51:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh sure. We could do all sorts of common sense things in this country to get a handle on what needs to be done. But then, that wouldnt be the American goverment way now would it? 

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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 8:52:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		The chart linked below is a listing of what gas taxes are, per state, as of January 2007.  Most states pay a Federal gas tax of 18 to 31 cents per gallon (cpg).  Add another 40 cents to that, plus State and County taxes, and in California, we're talking 24% of what we pay in gasoline (estimating $3.50/gallon) is going to taxes.  Seems criminal to me.

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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 9:06:54 AM   
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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 9:06:57 AM   
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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 9:14:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		The article quotes "the commission" as saying that; "it's time for a new beginning."
I agree.
It's time to not only start firing elected officials but also entrenched beaurocrats in Washington.
The country's finances are a mess!
I like Ron Paul but the more I learn about Mitt Romney the more I think he'd be the best choice for president.
He's an outstanding manager who turned the disasterous winter olympics right around.
He managed to get some things done in Massachusetts while being a Republican gov. in an overwhelmingly Democratic state.
We need someone to walk into the W.H. and start kicking some ass!

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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 9:16:05 AM   
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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 9:36:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Pah! Gasoline is much cheaper in the States than in most industrialised countries, so a little increase won't do any harm. Or will it?

Suggestions: get rid of these monstrous, hideous SUVs; build a comprehensive integrated transport system; revive your urban areas. This habit of living in suburban houses sprawling outwards is quite passé  .


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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 9:44:57 AM   
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raise federal gasoline taxes by as much as 40 cents per gallon over five years


And????

Why not $4/gallon? Why not do it today? We can become more like China and see the cars on the 405 converted to bicycles. Maybe China can send us their old bikes in exchange for our cars. The environmentalists would be thrilled, and it would serve one of the biggest problems facing US citizens - obesity. If you have to walk or pedal to work, we'll all be healthier. Hey - even the pressure on the health system may be relieved!

Let's expand on the theme. If we raise the tax to $4/gallon the money can be used to fund all the social programs being espoused by most running for President. It would be cleaner and less subversive than manipulating the public into believing that the source of these new taxes won't be the middle class. I don't understand why a tax at the pump wealth redistribution program is perceived differently than any other. Because the taxes that would be required to fund these social programs, whether they be the 'save us from our stupidity' sub-prime mortgage people, or the 'I'd rather have cable TV and high speed on-line access than buy health insurance' people. The tax programs being 'sold' on the public don't have the same per gallon relativity, but why are they are less offensive? If some of these were passed and their price was proportioned to the cost of a gallon of gas it would far exceed $.40/gallon.

Yeah - I know the targeted groups for these tax proposals are the "usual suspect"; 'Corporations' and 'The Rich'. It's not a coincidence that most of the 'rich' derive most of their lifestyle from a Corporation. The rich give their UM's and everyone in their family a Corporate credit card for gas; all tax deductible because while out they are 'marketing'. I remember one guy who wrote off most of his yacht expense as a tax deduction. He owned a few funeral homes in the City, and always brought a guest with him. When he was audited he said, everyone was a potential customer - deduction approved.

Raise the tax $.40 and guess what, the product that the "poor middle class" consumer buys includes a proportionate share of that tax in the product/service of the Corporation. It has NO impact on the target. It has a greater impact the lower you are on the income scale. You'll be paying $.40/gallon more on gas to get to a store where you'll pay the extra fuel cost for every link in the delivery chain to bring the product to you, plus the budgetary increase in end product cost to compensate for maintaining the budgetary Corporate ROI, ROA.

Admittedly its easier to 'see' in the example of a gallon of gas. Why the same can't be observed in any of the other 'tax the rich' schemes being floated is beyond me. Wait, come to think of it I do think I know. It's the 'good intent'-ionaires buying into the scheme and drinking the kool-aid because...

...well that's one 'because' whose rationalization I can't comprehend.

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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 10:36:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		like we don't pay enough in taxes already!  i've said it for years, give the budget to a bunch of single moms trying to make ends meet on their meager salaries and i'll bet you any money they could balance the budget, cut the fat and maybe even find a surplus!  you want to get rid of $900 toilet seats and hammers, let people who know how to live on a fixed income do the budgeting!  they'd find a way to get the job done without raising taxes.  this is absurd, raise the taxes over and over, but incomes aren't going up nearly as fast.

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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 10:48:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PanthersMom

like we don't pay enough in taxes already!  i've said it for years, give the budget to a bunch of single moms trying to make ends meet on their meager salaries and i'll bet you any money they could balance the budget, cut the fat and maybe even find a surplus!  you want to get rid of $900 toilet seats and hammers, let people who know how to live on a fixed income do the budgeting!  they'd find a way to get the job done without raising taxes.  this is absurd, raise the taxes over and over, but incomes aren't going up nearly as fast.

PM

PM,
I hope you take your anger to the polls and vote 'NO' for anyone who has raising taxes as a fundamental plank in their platform. The problem is you don't know who will live up to a 'no tax' commitment; "Read my lips..." comes to mind. However you can be pretty confident if they run on a higher tax platform they will deliver. Don't be coned by the 'tax the rich' or 'tax the corporation' smoke screen. Ultimately, like in this case with gas, you'll pay!

Current campaign financing rules make it impossible for a 'mom', single or not, to run for office. You have to be wealthy with wealthy friends to raise the necessary money. The common thread is that neither the politicians nor their backers will ever be impacted by the higher taxes they put in place.

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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 11:12:23 AM   
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Yeah - I know the targeted groups for these tax proposals are the "usual suspect"; 'Corporations' and 'The Rich'.

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RE: Panel urges 40 cent raise on gas tax - 1/15/2008 11:40:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Merc, you ***KNOW*** Hillary and Obama would raise taxes!

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