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Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 4:07:53 AM   
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Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama have become embroiled in racially tinged disputes as large numbers of black voters prepare to get their first say in the Democratic presidential campaign.

The candidates and their surrogates are heating up their rhetoric, and it could prove to be combustible beyond South Carolina's Jan. 26 primary.

Clinton, on defense over comments that she and her husband made regarding Martin Luther King Jr.'s legacy and Obama's fitness for the White House, tried to turn the tables on her top primary rival. She accused his campaign of looking to score political points by distorting their words.


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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 6:26:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking as an outsider my opinion is that Obama would make a big mistake if he tries to play the race card.
Time will tell !

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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 7:49:36 AM   
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Speaking as an outsider my opinion is that Obama would make a big mistake if he tries to play the race card.
Time will tell !


I agree considering it is pretty easy to prove he is racist...by his own admission at that.

However, I don't think Hillary can win either.


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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 11:38:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Speaking as an outsider my opinion is that Obama would make a big mistake if he tries to play the race card.
Time will tell !


I agree considering it is pretty easy to prove he is racist...by his own admission at that.

However, I don't think Hillary can win either.




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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 12:17:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not sure of all this.  All I got to read was pits and pieces.  From what I understand someone said Martin Luther King was the one who got the Civil Rights movement going.  The other said the Presiden Johnson did when we signed into law civil rights legislation.  Who said what I am not sure.
 

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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 2:06:45 PM   
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I do not believe America is or may ever be ready for a woman as President.    We need a Commander in Chief, and I cannot imagine Hillary Rodham Clinton in that capacity.  Actually it truly is a frightening thought.   What in the world would she know about commanding men?    She may be able to "stand by her man", but she sure can't lead one.

I made an earlier post, she is lacking one thing, a penis.   I will vote for Obama in the Primary, I will register Democrat for the first time in my life.  I am doing so...to vote against Hillary.  She couldn't fix our national health system back when Bill gave her total automony.  And why would anyone in this country think she can fix it now?

I wish you well,

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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 2:21:05 PM   
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Howdy Folks,

I do not believe America is or may ever be ready for a woman as President.    We need a Commander in Chief, and I cannot imagine Hillary Rodham Clinton in that capacity.  Actually it truly is a frightening thought.   What in the world would she know about commanding men?    She may be able to "stand by her man", but she sure can't lead one.

I made an earlier post, she is lacking one thing, a penis.   I will vote for Obama in the Primary, I will register Democrat for the first time in my life.  I am doing so...to vote against Hillary.  She couldn't fix our national health system back when Bill gave her total automony.  And why would anyone in this country think she can fix it now?

I wish you well,

Elizabeth


I am not voting for Hillary; I can't stand her.  But, what exactly makes a man more qualified than a woman to lead?  A lot of women have led nations throughout history, and that is just a ignorant comment to make.  I realize that doesn't fly on Gor, but we don't live in a pulp, science fiction world. 

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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 2:31:11 PM   
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Did Mistress Liz say anything about Gor?  Please read her post.  There was no need to attack her or Gor.  Addressing the content of her post is one thing - using her post as an opportunity for Gor bashing is uncalled for.

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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 2:38:26 PM   
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The people playing the race card are not the Clintons and I dont even think Obama has. It's the black community that has decided to play that card. And in the end it is going to hurt the Democratic party if this keeps up.

Trust me, there are very few times I will defend Bill Clinton. But the whole "fairy tale" remark was not directed towards Obama's campaign, it was directed towards Obama's claim that he and Hillary have identical voting records in the senate. But the black community has taken Bill's words out of context and are now trying to score a political victory by playing the race card.

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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 2:57:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Personally I think anyone playing the race card is stupid.  But I have a tendency to agree with some that the media hype is the one that is doing it more than anyone, which then causes news to happen because people take what they say as gospel and then they play the race card and it all escalates.   Just one Republican's opinion.

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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 3:00:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, she didn't fairer.  I just assumed from the veiled picture; I doubt that I am wrong.  Anyone who bases their political opinions on those books opens themselves up to criticism.  Anyone that says only someone with a penis can be a leader opens themselves up to criticism.  I wasn't bashing anything, I was making a point and I was joking.  Goreans don't any more right to not be criticised than Republicans, Democrats, Christians, Muslims, etc.  It is a belief system after all, and if I find it silly I will say so.  Maybe you should lighten up a little bit.  

This thread was a discussion of the race issue being brought up in the Obama/Hillary rivalry.  But ElizabethAnne used it as an opportunity to give us her views on the inability of women to lead, which I find odd since she is a woman.  By the way, why are you answering for her? 

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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 3:05:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		My opinion and mine only but I can forsee another election like 2004.  When it comes down to it, the people aren't going to have anyone to vote for democratically so the republican will win again.

We just have to hope it is a republican that isn't reprehensible to most of the US this time.
After spending a year in the midwest, I can say this country is not ready for a woman to be in the oval office.
I'm not sure they are ready for a black president either, so that sort of leaves no one.

Regardless of track records or anything else.  It comes down to the one who is least likely to hurt this country further.


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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 4:16:08 PM   
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It's the black community that has decided to play that card. And in the end it is going to hurt the Democratic party if this keeps up.


Good for the Balck Community! And I hope is does cost them!

What have the Democrats ever done for the Black Community?

First, they pass Jim Crow laws, then they blocked every single attempt to stop lynching at a federal level, then they go and keep the community down by passing non ending welfare and making it easier to collect if the father is out of the house.

Since the days of Andrew Jackson, through the Civil War, through Jim Crow and Lynching, to letting Massa Gov'ment destroy the black family unit via endless welfare,  the democrat party has done nothing for the black community.

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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 5:33:49 PM   
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Interesting you jumped from a comment to climbing on a pulpit about Gor.  Ah well.   And yes, I am Gorean, be that is it may, I will disagree vehemently about America being ready for a woman, especially one with such a lousy track record.  One who I honestly believe  made a deal with her husband, to stand by him then, which would set things in motion for her to run for President now.

I also do not think America is ready for a female president, and I see other women have made the same comment.   Women like Golda Meier are few and very very far between.  Is it possible?  ANYTHING is possible, but at this point there are none qualified to be the Commander of Chief of the leader of the country of the Free World.

I recall a book a few years ago from someone that was part of the Clinton administration, who said, Hillary did NOT want the guards dressed in uniform, they made her "uncomfortable".  Hello?   Does that seem like someone that should be the leader of our troops?

I want a military man for President, I also did not want Bill for eight years.  Hell I didn't want him for four.   If the unthinkable would happen, and she would by some remote chance get elected, that will mean two families will have had control of the White House for 28 years.  

While I plan on voting Democrat in the Primary, in the general election, I will not.  It is my hope that John McCain secures the Republican nomination.  He has my vote.

And boy, I challenge you to read three Gorean books.  Just three.  Of course, you may just learn something.   Oh yes, I dare you to ask me which three.  ~chuckles~

Take care,

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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 6:02:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		EA, I have read 2 Gor books.  I found them childish and badly written.  I hate to break it to you, but they are rip offs of Edgar Rice Burrough's Martian novels.  Of course Burrough's novels are well written, and they greatly surpass the 4th grade reading level of John Norman's books.  By the way, that's not an insult.  Norman's books really are written around the 4th grade reading level.  Of course John Norman never meant for his readers to turn them into a philosophy.  If you don't believe that, you may want to look up some of the things Norman has said about his readers that do.  The books are nothing more than misogynistic, adolescent, sexual fantasies; there is nothing deeply philosophical about them.  If they weren't so childish; I might find the misogyny, social darwinism, militarism, and classism to be alarming.  But like I said, they aren't serious books.  Most books that were once sold in the discount rack at the local drug store rarely are. 

I never once defended Hillary.  I can't stand her either, and I dislike her husband just as much.  The book you are referring to is biased to be fair, and I have my doubts that she ever said that.  But like I said, I don't care if she did or not.  I am not voting for her.  I am not voting in the Democratic primaries at all, because I have no plans to vote for any Democrat running.  Since you have no plans to vote for a Democrat in the general election; I assume you are trying to take votes away from Hillary in the primary.  I have news for you; that tactic never works.  If you have read anything about serious politics, you'd know that.

My earlier post had nothing to do with your dislike of Hillary.  It had to do with the sexist comment you made about her lacking a penis.  I assumed from that comment, that you don't feel women are capable leaders.  Your comment about Golda Meir being few and far between makes me think that even more.  If you believe that women should always be in the background, then that is your right.  But, you shouldn't be surprised when someone calls you on it.  I knew you were Gorean from your picture.  As I would do with Muslims and Christian fundamentalists that teach that idiocy, I will point out that very same idiocy in Gorean philosophy. 

The idea of having only military men in political power is not a new one.  It's called militarism, and it's been tried before.  If you'd like a few examples, you only need to look to Nazi Germany and fascist Italy.  The United States is a republic, and the founding fathers set it up for civilian rule.  I won't vote for John McCain, because he tried to limit free speech with campaign finance reform.  I admire people who serve in the military too, but that service does not automatically make them good leaders.     

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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 6:08:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Hillary pulled herself out of this one.  I liked Obama in the beginning; however, now he has a bit of the big head, and it can come back to bite him in the butt.
Besides, I believe Obama places the race card well with his own people.
I think she will suprise us.
 
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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 6:57:58 PM   
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Actually I DO think there are a some women that can make capable leaders, just not for America, and not right now.   I have no problem defending my views.  I actually expected to do so.  And I have seen many Presidents, and voted for many.   Only one I voted for that was NOT a military man.   Look back over the presidents we've had since let's say 1950, and how many were NOT once in the military?   And you said why this didn't work? 

Seems like we had a few damn fine Presidents...that DID serve.  Nice thing, we ARE free because of our military, we need strength there.  It allows all of us to have an opinion.  Interesting you call something idiocy, while admitting you've read all of two books.  Goodness, after reading all of the adjectives as you have described,  truly tells me you really know nothing of his books, the philosophy or those of us who follow the ethos.   

But continue to believe how you choose, and I will believe as I choose.  But do take care, and serve well.

Elizabeth

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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 7:07:41 PM   
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I do not believe America is or may ever be ready for a woman as President.


Sad to think that we're lagging behind Liberia.

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RE: Clinton and Obama clash on race - 1/14/2008 7:13:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Those weren't adjectives, they were nouns.  If you are going to use books as a source of belief, than you should learn the difference.  I didn't need to read more than two of them.  Like I said, you should read up on John Norman a little more.  You should really read up on what he says about Goreans. 

I never said that it was wrong to vote for someone that served in the military.  What I said is that it is foolish to only vote for someone for that reason.  The last GOOD president with a military background that I recall is Eisenhower.  The rest were pretty mediocre.  He was also firmly against militarism, and spoke about it when he warned of a military-industrial complex.  Our history goes back further than the Second World War, and you may want to read some of it.   The concept of believing only military professionals are qualified to lead is called militarism.  I gave you examples where that has gone out of control.  If you'd like some modern day examples, take a look at Burma.  If you'd like a American example, take a look at the South during Reconstruction.  

But, you believe what you want to believe too.  But like I said, don't expect your philosophy to be exempt from criticism. 

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