RE: Born to Be Wild - 'Yarak' and that recent Tiger accident... (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid



Message


AFlyInYourWeb -> RE: Born to Be Wild - 'Yarak' and that recent Tiger accident... (1/14/2008 8:37:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

What say you?  How are we to know predators?
 
And…as an aside; is there a connection with this yarak and the behavior of many new submissives?  <smiles>
 
MsB


Humans are both predators AND scavengers.  It's how our antecedents survived.

As to the behavior of "many new submissives", I only have anecdotal evidence, mostly what I read from Dominas on this Board and in their  profiles and journals.

The predator-scavenger part of our nature is pre-programmed into all of us.  The  definition of "civilized" is the ability to overcome our natural instincts and behave differently than our natural programming.




Najakcharmer -> RE: Born to Be Wild - 'Yarak' and that recent Tiger accident... (1/14/2008 11:35:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Eh, who knows.  I'm not aware that California cops have too much experience with tiger maulings.


The aftermath of any serious trauma event for the victim, whether a shooting, a stabbing or a car accident, is something that California cops do tend to have a lot of experience with.  Individual reactions will vary, as will the specific type of trauma, but in general the reactions are similar enough to be classifiable under "physically and emotionally traumatized victim response".




Najakcharmer -> RE: Born to Be Wild - 'Yarak' and that recent Tiger accident... (1/14/2008 4:31:52 PM)

Big surprise, not.

The original article can be found on SFGate.com here:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/01/11/BAD9UDG16.DTL
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Friday, January 11, 2008 (SF Chronicle)
Evidence in car may point to drug use, tiger taunting, documents state
John Coté, Chronicle Staff Writer

(01-10) 19:23 PST San Francisco - --
The San Francisco City Attorney's Office contends the car of the two
brothers who survived the tiger attack at San Francisco Zoo contains
"apparent evidence of drug use" and may have evidence linking the men to
objects found inside the tiger's enclosure, according to court documents.
That could help show the victims pelted or taunted the tiger that escaped
and killed a San Jose teen, the documents state. The survivors have denied
any wrongdoing.




liks2plzlf -> RE: Born to Be Wild - 'Yarak' and that recent Tiger accident... (1/15/2008 1:51:50 PM)

Thanks again Ms B. I do not understand what your asking




domiguy -> RE: Born to Be Wild - 'Yarak' and that recent Tiger accident... (1/15/2008 3:40:29 PM)

What simply baffles the mind is how any sound minded people can somehow suggest that the kids got what they deserved for taunting the tiger....Fuck the tiger, fuck the zoo.

Kids do dumb things. To think that a tiger could hop out of it's cage and go on a rampage is beyond belief. The zoo is extremely fortunate that so few were involved. Can you imagine the outcry if the tiger had snacked on an infant or two?

When you have a dangerous animal that has probably become somewhat neurotic due to it's treatment and captivity and you do not take every precaution to insure that there is no possibility that this cat can harm the public then you you will find yourself chin deep in a pool of shit. There was a recommendation to increase the height of the wall which was ignored.

I wonder what the families of the dead and wounded will do with the zoo once they have won it in a law suit.

Barbecue?




Lordandmaster -> RE: Born to Be Wild - 'Yarak' and that recent Tiger accident... (1/15/2008 5:58:12 PM)

Bravo, domiguy.




lauren0221 -> RE: Born to Be Wild - 'Yarak' and that recent Tiger accident... (1/15/2008 6:07:12 PM)

My sympathy is with the tiger, not the zoo. The zoo fucked up,  There should have been no way for the tiger to get out, no matter how taunted he was. The tiger should have had better protection from the dumb humans who sometimes do dumb things. The tiger was just being a tiger. The zoo officials apparently knew better, and did not make the changes necessary to keep the tiger contained. The tiger did not choose to be there. Humans created the situation that caused the death and injury to  humans and a tiger.





Maya2001 -> RE: Born to Be Wild - 'Yarak' and that recent Tiger accident... (1/15/2008 6:20:22 PM)

Even many domesticated dogs and cats have retained natural prey drives,  but if you watched cats and dogs most got thru what I like to refer as zoomies, where they start running around silly to release pent up energy,  big cats also need to release that pent up energy otherwise it leads to frustration, most zoos do not provide enough space or stimulation for the big cats to burn of excess energy, pacing is one way of doing but does not release enough energy and leads to a frustrated animal with low tolerance and short temper, and if they have companions they may play wrestle with them to help release energy,  I know my dogs in the winter will rough horse more with me in the winter months when they are not getting out enough to burn of that  energy or will start racing around the house and wrestling with each other  When I have brought in track greyhounds some needed correction  on how they could acceptable play with me(because  unlike pet dogs the litter is kept together for 1 1/2 years before being seperated at the track so they often will treat/interact with humans as though they are littermates depending how much human interaction they get when they are young, some of the greyhound breeding farms will 300 or more dogs so they do not get all that much human contact ) ,  as such  many tried to play with me as though I was another dog so would throw themselves at me to knock me off my feet  and play nip.  I had to  practice with them running around the yard which would then wound up enough to play and every time they played inaproppriately  they got a verbal scolding and I would turn my back on them and ignore for a few minutes  and then repeat the running around  until they finally learn what from of play was acceptable and what isn't, I have one here that I have had for 4 years  and she still gets very playful and in her excitement to play every so often forgets herself and screws up and starts playing with me as though I am another dog and will rake me with her claws or grab me hand or arm,  she is only 60 lbs  if she ran into me hard enough she could break my leg, but overall any damage in play to me  would be minimal  but a tiger weighs  10 times more than a greyhound with  far sharper claws and they become deadly if they decide to play with a human as though another tiger..  I have owned domestic cats in the past  they too want to play and wrestle with their humans, play hunt by attack feet or hands  but at 10 lbs  they can still do some damage to a human  if they play too rough, now imagine that same cat at 600 lbs wanting to play attack/wrestle in the same manner, it won't be a pretty sight  




NaiveTempest -> RE: Born to Be Wild - 'Yarak' and that recent Tiger accident... (1/15/2008 7:11:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Tigers do eat people though.  We are not thier main or prefered food, but we are indeed food.  Googling  http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/maneating11.html I got a number that only 3 out of 1000 tigers will try to kill a man, but that is one of the largest predators of Humans that exists.  Other animals kill people: snakes, bears ect, but do not eat them.  The site notes that on a per capita basis Alaskan Grizzlies kill as many people, but because they don't like people, not to eat them.  There are hundreds of Andecotal stories of Bear attacks where the bear bites out a chunck of flesh, chews it, spits it out, and walks away.  Tigers (albiet usually sick or one with problems)  develop a taste for human flesh, and it is a problem that villagers living in Tiger lands have had to deal with for thousands of years.


Don't sharks do this too?




NaiveTempest -> RE: Born to Be Wild - 'Yarak' and that recent Tiger accident... (1/15/2008 7:27:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: liks2plzlf

Thanks MsB
        While I am asking questions, what is 420?


Correct me if I'm wrong here:

To some people it is a holiday for smoking.

And that is all I'm going to say about that.




marieToo -> RE: Born to Be Wild - 'Yarak' and that recent Tiger accident... (1/15/2008 7:40:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lauren0221

My sympathy is with the tiger, not the zoo. The zoo fucked up,  There should have been no way for the tiger to get out, no matter how taunted he was. The tiger should have had better protection from the dumb humans who sometimes do dumb things. The tiger was just being a tiger. The zoo officials apparently knew better, and did not make the changes necessary to keep the tiger contained. The tiger did not choose to be there. Humans created the situation that caused the death and injury to  humans and a tiger.




Exactly.  Exactly.
 
It's a tragedy all around.  And it makes me sick when I see wild animals used this way, then killed because they don't behave like fucking house pets.




NaiveTempest -> RE: Born to Be Wild - 'Yarak' and that recent Tiger accident... (1/15/2008 8:01:58 PM)

I used to watch animal planet a lot and there would be stories about "exotic" pets i.e. wild cats, monkeys, certain reptiles, certain birds, etc... that people would get (usually these animals are illegal to have as pets) and when they realized that the animal didn't want to "play house" they would throw it out, abandon it, or kill it (directly or indirectly, i.e. plastic bag in a river). People need to realize that it takes lots time for domestication of a species and that wild animals are just that "wild" they follow their instincts and they're not going to act like a human would!
As pointed out earlier, even the domesticated animals still need an outlet. They still get "wild". And humans still have wild urges to no matter how "civilized we think we are. And humans still break out of jail too, because no animal - and humans are still animals - likes being caged against their will and denied their rights.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Born to Be Wild - 'Yarak' and that recent Tiger accident... (1/15/2008 8:58:48 PM)

Yes, that's exactly how I see all this too.

Maybe the kids were taunting the tiger.  I'm not ready to accept that just yet, because it seemed like a very convenient story for the zoo...  But it doesn't absolve the zoo of responsibility to keep the people away from the tiger and the tiger away from the people.  There's a reason why tragedies like this are so rare.

quote:

ORIGINAL: marieToo

quote:

ORIGINAL: lauren0221

My sympathy is with the tiger, not the zoo. The zoo fucked up,  There should have been no way for the tiger to get out, no matter how taunted he was. The tiger should have had better protection from the dumb humans who sometimes do dumb things. The tiger was just being a tiger. The zoo officials apparently knew better, and did not make the changes necessary to keep the tiger contained. The tiger did not choose to be there. Humans created the situation that caused the death and injury to  humans and a tiger.


Exactly.  Exactly.
 
It's a tragedy all around.  And it makes me sick when I see wild animals used this way, then killed because they don't behave like fucking house pets.




Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.03125