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Termyn8or -> RE: Ron Paul sks to phaze out Soc Sec ? (1/6/2008 9:23:23 PM)
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Business 101, or maybe this is 102.
SS has never been mandatory, and you can opt out. However if you have been paying for years and years it isn't very smart to opt out, unless you really think it is going down.
Most US citizens have not the means to start nor the ability to sustain their own business, but if they did they could simply never pay. Let's not go into the income tax right now, let's get this straight.
Your employer takes out SS, and MATCHES it. If you do not get a W2 but get a W1099 instead, they want 15.2% from you, and that is off the gross, dedcuctions don't matter. But if you get a W2 you pay about 7% and your employer pays about 7%. Point something of course.
What you can get from SS is strictly based on what you paid in, except for SSI. Basically SSI is for people who worked so hard in their life that they would be getting about ten bucks a month. It is welfare plain and simple and I am against it. I am for a limited, effective welfare for all people, not a check for life. I am for government even, to go just a bit beyond the Constitution and help people. And that is a can of worms that should have stayed on the shelf. So not really. Sink or swim.
Assistance should be from the private sector, as much as I hate to agree with the repubican (that is NOT a misspelling) party. If I pay into SS they are supposed to keep and invest that money FOR ME, not some dreg who's strung out on drugs and finally has a coherent moment to fill out the papers.
Throw you a little story here. Personal life, I don't have cites or quotes but I got the actual people involved, and I almost wish I didn't. Friends are friends, but this was stretching.
Remember in the news about the two brothers who kept their Mother's body in storage for eight months, ostensibly to collect her SS check ? It made the news. That Woman was my Aunt. I know all about it.
First of all they are drunks, no question about it, and as far as the pot calling the kettle black, in comparison I am white. But the media reported that they did it for the Mother's SS checks, but that was not true.
The thing is that the Father was in the joint in Utah for some stupid shit he did and they had all moved back to Ohio. He went stomping off into a snowstorm, playing a mind game because they had an argument. They caught him somewhere out in the woods with a gun, which he is not supposed to have according to their law. This guy was a nut. He is alive now but he is properly medicated. You don't even want to know what this guy has done, what he put his family through.
The brothers are pretty much totally uneducated. The Father has a degree, in fact is a doctor who did not put forth a dissertation. That did not stop him from getting a pretty good job though. But there were times when he was a real prick. He fucked those kids up and now neither one of them can hold a job.
Well up they show at the door one day, minus Dad, nobody knew where he was. He wanted it that way. When they caught him they extradited him back to Utah to serve a couple years. In the meantime the rest of the family setup shop here in Ohio.
The olman is a flake, bigtime. They would keep him in the looney bin but for one thing, he knows psychology, he knows what answers will get him out of there, and they then let him go. This guy would then terrorize his family and annoy mine.
After the boys got busted for rolling Mom up in a rug, one did not get out, he was also extradited back to Utah. The younger one was in jail here facing felony charges for abuse of a corpse. He tried to kill himself in jail. He took the earpiece of his glasses and shoved it hard into his eye socket, causing muscle damage and rendering him crosseyed.
This was enough to get him SS, even though he had worked a whopping five years out of his thirty something on the planet. They fixed his eye and started writing checks for five hundred a month. He was adjudged incompetent though so he needed a payee. Guess who that was. My Father.
Now when you go up to a dictionary and look up old school there is a picture of my Father, and I think in the addendum there is a picture of my Grandfather. Being a payee is a pain in the ass, you have to account what money went for what and all that.
But many moons later, it was over. The kid's eyeball was fixed, using our tax dollars, or SS dollars. He was totally capable of working so as the payee, my Father called SS and told them to stop the payments period.
The olman gets maybe $1,200 a month, and they give this kid like $500 ? One worked for forty years and I am not sure if the other worked for forty fucking days. This was not my decision, I might have just made a deal, take the money but I get a cut, but not the olman. And they call me the Terminator. He terminated this kid's SS check, period. I mean he did not only take himself off as payee, but he actually also called SS and told them that the kid was no longer disabled. Which was true.
The reason the brothers put Mom into a rug is that the Dad was getting alot more from PERS, a private extension of government pension. Her check was peanuts. She might have been getting $500 a month, but the olman was getting over four times that. But after he pulled all his shit, she was his conservator, and his payee, much like SS, but it is PERS.
This whole fucking thing makes my head spin. All the opportunity this family had, and then to keep making the wrong choices again and again, they should starve to death. These are friends of the family for thirty plus years and I still say that. They are defective. If they had been executed when it was the right time they would be a fond memory.
So you see, when I talk about strong measures to take our country back, like mass executions or deportations, I am not just talking about you, I am talking about me. If someone proves to me that I do not have the right to be here, I will leave willingly.
We have to discard one notion first, and that is a toughie. That because you were born here you deserve to be here. We have to get that out of our heads completely. We need to tear down the Statue Of Liberty and put up a plaque that says "Send us your engineers, your workers, your best and most foreminded, the US is no longer a fucking dump".
Make it so you have to EARN your way here, that is how it was. People came here from many parts of Europe and the learned the language and got jobs. Subsequently they paid for their own houses, cars and everything else they used. There ws no check in the mail. They EARNED it. And for us to allow these shysters in government to give away the lagacy that the people who built this country accrued is wrong, even to the huddled masses of this state. To distribute the wealth based on need is contrary to the Constitution, it is that simple.
The government's job is not to redistribute wealth, but but each and every government in human history has fallen into that.If I were an Alaskan or Iraqi Citizen, I should get a check ? Fuck that.
My Parents snuck in here on a boat, dialed 911 and now since I am born here I get a check, this is bullshit. I don't know about anyone else, but I have a hard time accepting charity. I do not want it, and when I can't work anymore I intend to die. That is it.
I am a Polack, and of that I am proud, but not for myself. I can only be proud for myself of my own accomplishments. I have more true scientific knowledge than anyone here most likely. CL might kick my ass in algebra, but that is not the same thing. I am only proud of myself for what I have done, those who want to know some of the technical/reverse engineering hurdles I have solved, get me on the other side.
I am proud of what I have and I thank my Parents for giving me the BASIS of it. I did it myself. But even so, under what I see as the law of the land, I am not entitled to a check.
I had alot of interaction with my Grampa, and he taught me probably as much as my Father. This is irreplacable. Yes I do have pride, but not at the expense of anyone else. And I collect money every week, but I earn it and it is not at the expense of anyone else.
I will end this now and try to figure out who all I pissed off. Gonna roll one.
T
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