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Owner59 -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/5/2008 11:30:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy Sanity... You and I both know... The sad truth is that the useful Idiots of marx and lenin are now serving the greens if for no other reason, than because they hate and despise Capitalism in any form. The problem is, that the useful idiots, are like walter duranty, infesting the major media of the west. You do not see this in China, or even India for that matter. Those countries can burn as much fossil fuel as they want to and nary a protest nor a peep from the ui in the West. When was the last major protest in front of the Chinese or Indian Embassies for their refusal to be included in Koyoto? But the big secret the greens never want to get out is that this is all about population control. And it just so happens that the proper enlighten "stewards" happened to be (for the most part) elitist white people who think they know better than anyone else. After all.... look how they fucked up mother earth... how could they possible let brown and yellow skin people do the same??? No... the enlighten white people must save the world. It's their burden after all. Oh Jesus,now the greens are commies? That`s just weirdness, disguised as thought. You are a great argument for the environmentalists. "And it just so happens that the proper enlighten "stewards" happened to elitist white people who think they know better than anyone else." Actually,the polluters and poisoners (US industry,corporate America) are the elitists,and they`re white ,they`re rich, ,and republican.And not only do they think they know better,they don`t fuck`n care what anyone else thinks,anyway.lol "After all.... look how they fucked up mother earth... how could they possible let brown and yellow skin people do the same??? No... the enlighten white people must save the world. It's their burden after all". What does race, have to do with this? More weirdness....... Why do I get the feeling, that you couldn`t care less about world hunger , FATdomdaddy?

CuriousLord -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 12:03:15 AM)
Corn oil certainly is a green solution; I am not under the impression that there's much of a debate about that. I mean, sure, there's the environmental footprint of corn due to fertilizers issue, but that seems like a relatively easily dismantled argument. I'm under the impression that the green argument is to start making more corn to help support it, though.. not just cut out of the amount that's being used. Does this not seem like sound logic?

LilMissMisery -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 12:12:41 AM)
Did he just say the white man's burden with a straight face and mean it? And we'd like to point out that the 'enlighten white people' have a net negative population growth... Also, just a thought... maybe they could use the phenomenal, enormous amount of food waste that is unsuitable for human consumption as fertilizer instead of manufacturing more and creating yet more waste in the process?

CuriousLord -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 12:22:32 AM)
Do you use "white" to refer to the culture or the race?

LilMissMisery -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 12:24:33 AM)
Me? A little of both, actually, although I believe the greatest net population loss is found in Japan. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong though.

CuriousLord -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 12:26:56 AM)
No, no; simply, the terms used to refer to the culture struck me as a bit racist, especially considering it's the culture and not the race involved in the phenomina you seem to be referring to. In any case, I certainly wish the entire world would have a negative net growth via low birth rates, such as the group you're speaking of. So many of our problems could be alleviated by not having such a horridly overpopulated planet; they're only going to become worse as many of the less developed nations balloon on a planet with limited resources to begin with.

LilMissMisery -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 12:30:26 AM)
Most of the problems being discussed on the forums, especially the ones related to the general health of the planet, seem to be directly related to the cultures present on and using the resources of said planet. What I find interesting is that when people mention negative net growth, listeners seem to immediately think of euthanasia. One child per couple could accomplish the same thing and without nearly as much of an ethics debate Also, to the OP: Even if the entire physical structure of the Earth was composed of saleable oil and petroleum products, it would still run out eventually! How on Earth do you come about the idea that oil will never run out?

CuriousLord -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 12:38:23 AM)
Of course, as long as we consider the cultures, and not the races. Yeah, the one-child-per-couple plan does seem to be a pragmatic solution. There is an awful lot of fallout in Chinia; safe-sex practice education would have to come with it to minimize the poor little girls in such societies. How might this relate to the thread's orginial topic?

LilMissMisery -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 1:03:41 AM)
Overpopulation, the impending oil crisis and the here-and-now food crisis are all interrelated, although the food crisis and overpopulation are clearly more closely related to the OP than oil. But I had to reply to his earlier statement that quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: ChainsandFreedom the greens would probably rather be using the Methane Well then.... As the US also has some of the largest Methane deposits in the world, I wonder how the greens would feel if we started drilling for it in the cold seeps at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico? BTW... Are not the greens behind the attmpts to STOP bovine methane? Oil is beyond plentiful and we should use it until it runs out in about... well never.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 10:31:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LilMissMisery Did he just say the white man's burden with a straight face and mean it? I was using sarcasm toward the green movement which is made of up mostly affluent white people trying to nanny those less enlightened. Sorry it went over your head.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 10:34:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LilMissMisery Also, to the OP: Even if the entire physical structure of the Earth was composed of saleable oil and petroleum products, it would still run out eventually! How on Earth do you come about the idea that oil will never run out? Because humans will find something else better long long long before crude oil even ever comes close to "running out" leaving the rest in the ground...forever.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 10:38:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LilMissMisery the impending oil crisis That is a hoax. There may be a market crisis on over speculated futures but there is no danger of it running out. The United States reserves of Shale Oil would destroy OPEC should the US ever find the need to tap them.

johntom571 -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 10:42:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: LilMissMisery the impending oil crisis That is a hoax. There may be a market crisis on over speculated futures but there is no danger of it running out. The United States reserves of Shale Oil would destroy OPEC should the US ever find the need to tap them. Ahem, FDB, i'm not sure if i follow your rationale here. There may be more oil to be had than currently accounted for, but still: it takes millions of years to produce it, and we're using it much fast than that. whether the oil crisis comes in 10 or 100 years is not the point. it will eventually come. meanwhile, the enviromental impact has a much higher cost than that produce by scarcity. and use it, we will continue until alternate sources of energy can be found. realistically, wind and solar power are a drop in the bucket. JT

domiguy -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 10:47:52 AM)
It is so refreshing to see someone with your limited concept of the world has such a concerned view for the poor and the suffering. You are such an altruistic man. Your kindness knows no limits. Go with God, FatDomDaddy.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 3:23:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Go with God, FatDomDaddy. Thank you... I shall.

Owner59 -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 4:06:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Actually, most people on "the green side" think using the world's food sources for fuel is a bad idea. What have you been reading? quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy Nobody on the green side has yet to explain how using the world's food sources for fuel makes the earth a better place. What have you been reading? I think he and the "Rushy right",are just trying to scare people,and make trouble,where there is none. The conflict is a made up,imaginary one. All set, with villains and the poor victims. And of course,the neo-cons cast themselves as the wise and heroic leaders,who`ll set the agenda,lead us to salvation and save the world`s poor. Just like they saved Iraq....... This is self-serving bull shit,spoken by people who couldn`t care less about hungry people Is it a coincidence, that the solution largely benefits big aggro-business,big oil,and the chemical industry and big business in general? Is it a coincidence, that the solution says we must stick to the status quoe,keep polluting,and push back on the green agenda? I don`t think so. It`s kinda low down,dirty dog,and low class,to pit the green movement,against starving people.I mean,c`mon now. When Sanity says we can`t grow our fuel,w/ out affecting food supplies,he`s just not with it.Either purposefully,or through ignorance,he`s just not informed or curious.He and people like him,want wars for oil,so they can drive their 8-10-12 cylinder vehicles.God forbid they should should live with anything less. Some advice to neo-cons... Stick to the commie menace thing,it works better on the dummies.

popeye1250 -> RE: Global Food Crisis Pits Greens Against the World's Poor (1/6/2008 5:33:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: LilMissMisery Did he just say the white man's burden with a straight face and mean it? I was using sarcasm toward the green movement which is made of up mostly affluent white people trying to nanny those less enlightened. Sorry it went over your head. DomDaddy, yes, those people do seem to think of "The West" as "The Great White Bwana" when it comes to Africa. Remember that BONO guy and his "debt forgivness?" What an asshole!

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