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Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60 in ... - 1/4/2008 1:42:52 PM   
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Johnathan Goodwin can get 100 mpg out of a Lincoln Continental, cut emissions by 80%, and double the horsepower. Does the car business have the guts to follow him?

From: Fast Company Issue 120 | November 2007 | Page 74 | By: Clive Thompson

"Check it out. It's actually a jet engine," says Johnathan Goodwin, with a low whistle. "This thing is gonna be even cooler than I thought." We're hunched on the floor of Goodwin's gleaming workshop in Wichita, Kansas, surrounded by the shards of a wooden packing crate. Inside the wreckage sits his latest toy--a 1985-issue turbine engine originally designed for the military. It can spin at a blistering 60,000 rpm and burn almost any fuel. And Goodwin has some startling plans for this esoteric piece of hardware: He's going to use it to create the most fuel-efficient Hummer in history.

Goodwin ... is a professional car hacker. The spic-and-span shop is filled with eight monstrous trucks and cars--Hummers, Yukon XLs, Jeeps--in various states of undress. His four tattooed, twentysomething grease monkeys crawl all over them with wrenches and welding torches.

Goodwin leads me over to a red 2005 H3 Hummer that's up on jacks, its mechanicals removed. He aims to use the turbine to turn the Hummer into a tricked-out electric hybrid. Like most hybrids, it'll have two engines, including an electric motor. But in this case, the second will be the turbine, Goodwin's secret ingredient. Whenever the truck's juice runs low, the turbine will roar into action for a few seconds, powering a generator with such gusto that it'll recharge a set of "supercapacitor" batteries in seconds. This means the H3's electric motor will be able to perform awesome feats of acceleration and power over and over again, like a Prius on steroids. What's more, the turbine will burn biodiesel, a renewable fuel with much lower emissions than normal diesel; a hydrogen-injection system will then cut those low emissions in half. And when it's time to fill the tank, he'll be able to just pull up to the back of a diner and dump in its excess french-fry grease--as he does with his many other Hummers. Oh, yeah, he adds, the horsepower will double--from 300 to 600.

"Conservatively," Goodwin muses, scratching his chin, "it'll get 60 miles to the gallon. With 2,000 foot-pounds of torque. You'll be able to smoke the tires. And it's going to be superefficient."

He laughs. "Think about it: a 5,000-pound vehicle that gets 60 miles to the gallon and does zero to 60 in five seconds!"

This is the sort of work that's making Goodwin famous in the world of underground car modders.


...

Two years ago ... was driving a converted H2 to the ... nation's biggest annual specialty automotive confab, and stopped en route at a Denver hotel. When he woke up in the morning, there were 20 people standing around his Hummer. Did I run over somebody? he wondered. As it turned out, they were engineers for GM, the Hummer's manufacturer. They noticed that Goodwin's H2 looked modified. "Does it have a diesel engine in it?"

"Yeah," he said.

"No way," they replied.

He opened the hood, "and they're just all in and out and around the valves and checking it out,"

...

'Is it running?'

"Yeah, you can hear the fan going.'"

One engineer turned and said, "GM said this wouldn't work."

"Well," Goodwin replied, "here it is."


It's a long article, with some really interesting material in it.  I've barely  scratched the surface.    But, if you want big powerful vehicles with great gas mileage and are enviro-friendly ... you gotta read this.

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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/4/2008 3:34:08 PM   
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There's a very evil reason GM told it's engineers that it wouldn't work.

Don't expect to see any shake-ups in the production line soon.

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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/4/2008 3:47:25 PM   
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Ya know, there is an equation that determines the amount of force required to move a mass.

Imagine what might happen if that person used efficient techonology to power a little tiny car, rather than stick it in a huge chunk of iron as his own personal penis extension.

Sinergy

p.s.  Which is not to say I necessarily believe it would ever pass muster as a commuter vehicle, I am just discussing the physics involved.




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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/4/2008 3:56:02 PM   
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Sinergy,

At what point do we surrender our right to drive larger vehicles though?  When we have to have a special license just to own an El Camino?

The blade cuts both ways; consider if single person vehicles were heavily marketed and promoted; the amount of space to accomodate these small cars is far less than average cars.  Highways could support four or five times the current amount (or speed) of traffic during rush hour.  Yet this denies us the luxury of dropping children off to work, or filling our trunk with crap.

At what point is too big, too big?

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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/4/2008 3:56:17 PM   
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Ya know, there is an equation that determines the amount of force required to move a mass.

Imagine what might happen if that person used efficient techonology to power a little tiny car, rather than stick it in a huge chunk of iron as his own personal penis extension.

Sinergy

p.s.  Which is not to say I necessarily believe it would ever pass muster as a commuter vehicle, I am just discussing the physics involved.





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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/4/2008 4:09:32 PM   
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Yeah, but you still can't park the fucker. You may as well drive a tractor.

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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/4/2008 4:33:08 PM   
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Someone needs to let xBullx know about this, which would clearly be his dream vehicle....

...A jet-powered tractor.




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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/4/2008 4:41:19 PM   
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man, I was hoping this would be a thread about the band...

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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/4/2008 5:35:32 PM   
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As it turned out, they were engineers for GM, the Hummer's manufacturer. They noticed that Goodwin's H2 looked modified. "Does it have a diesel engine in it?"

"Yeah," he said



Hmmmm.... its big and boxy, and has a diesel engine in it, can carry a number of people, and canary yellow is a popular colour.
What's new really? School buses have been doing it for years n' years already.....

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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/5/2008 8:39:22 AM   
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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/5/2008 8:40:02 AM   
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Ya gotta love American ingenuity.   I want one.  

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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/5/2008 8:53:58 AM   
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Ya gotta love American ingenuity.   I want one.  



This must be a gas guzzler`s wet dream.lol

It won`t work though,any more than perpetual motion machines do.

I reference to the phallus comments,...what`s that saying about guys who buy huge vehicles?Something about having small ones,so they buy penis replacements,to make up for it?

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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/5/2008 8:57:46 AM   
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I reference to the phallus comments,...what`s that saying about guys who buy huge vehicles?Something about having small ones,so they buy penis replacements,to make up for it?


Something said just to make guys with small vehicles feel better.  I can assure you from personal experience that it doesn't hold true. 

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It won`t work though,any more than perpetual motion machines do.


Did you even read the article? 


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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/5/2008 9:00:34 AM   
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I reference to the phallus comments,...what`s that saying about guys who buy huge vehicles?Something about having small ones,so they buy penis replacements,to make up for it?


Something said just to make guys with small vehicles feel better.  I can assure you from personal experience that it doesn't hold true. 



Such slavish devotion ,to your Firm.

What a lucky guy.<jealous>

Are you saying Firm has both a big truck,and big boots?

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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/5/2008 9:07:26 AM   
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Are you saying Firm has both a big truck,and big boots?


lol... Firm's got it all, including my slavish devotion. 

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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/5/2008 4:06:40 PM   
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Ya gotta love American ingenuity.   I want one.  



This must be a gas guzzler`s wet dream.lol

It won`t work though,any more than perpetual motion machines do.

I reference to the phallus comments,...what`s that saying about guys who buy huge vehicles?Something about having small ones,so they buy penis replacements,to make up for it?

Hmmm, could be.  After all, I don't have a penis, and I once owned a 2500 Dodge Ram Hemi (ar ar ar!)  I planned to put a camper on it, but traded down to a Ranger once the gas prices were about 2.80/gallon.  * sigh *

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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/5/2008 4:52:51 PM   
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"Revolutionary air car runs on compressed air"
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Air_car_runs_on_compressed_air_0104.html

BBC News is reporting that a French company has developed a pollution-free car which runs on compressed air. India's Tata Motors has the car under production and it may be on sale in Europe and India by the end of the year.

The air car, also known as the Mini-CAT or City Cat, can be refueled in minutes from an air compressor at specially equipped gas stations and can go 200 km on a 1.5 euro fill-up -- roughly 125 miles for $3. The top speed will be almost 70 mph and the cost of the vehicle as low as $7000.

More at link...

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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/6/2008 2:45:04 AM   
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Err I just switched to 2 wheels.

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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/6/2008 2:55:12 AM   
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I'll take two.

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RE: Motorhead Messiah: Hybrid Hummer Gets 60 mpg & 0-60... - 1/6/2008 7:32:58 AM   
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Once better motors are designed electric is probably the way to go. And you have heard me speak of silver being a good investment ? That is part of the reason.

At room or higher temperatures silver is the best conductor of electricity known. A sophisticated electronic circuit could make brakes unnecessary, it would force the motor to become a generator when the driver hits the brakes.

And that my friends is the actual difference between a motor and an engine. It is a subtle one and hard to explain. The analogy of an electric motor in this application comes demonstrable right now though. I know how to design the circuit that would force the motor of an electric car to become a generator and LOAD it, so it charges the batteries when you hit the brake. There is no way to do this with an engine, unless someone wants to undertake designing one that when decelleration is required, actually sucks the exhuast back up in the tailpipe and unburns it, retuning fuel to the gas tank. Every law of physics I know says that just ain't gonna happen.

While it is a worthy endevor to attempt to burn things more efficiently, anything that burns things is bad. Period. Fact of life. And indeed, we also must seek ways to make electricity without burning things.

And I bet one of these Hummers will burn up your wallet pretty well, did anyone mention what one such equipped vehicle would cost ?

In fact it doesn't matter, if you remember Smokey's second stage adibiatic engine you already know that alot of people can do in their own shop what the manufacturer can't, or won't do in production. That is another one of those things that just disappeared. The trick to that one is that the engine ran at super high temperatures, Smokey realized, rightly so, that all this heat energy is being wasted. Instead of a sophisticated cooling system, he designed the engine to keep the heat energy in. He designed it to withstand higher temperatures, special lubricant, special coolant, special materials.

Of course imagining what that would cost is telling for those who wonder why it was shelved. Smokey Yunick (sp) also proposed the third and fourth stage adibiatic engines, using ceramics and special alloys. IIRC the fourth stage did not have a lubricant, at least not in the conventional sense. Yep, no oil at all.

Cost and profit are always at issue when someone tries to make something better. But there is so much more to this that most do not understand. For example if you drive a midsize, especially a big GM from the 1990s up, don't be surprised if it has roller lifters. Racers used to modify engines, putting in roller lifters to make their car faster. It allowed them to use much heavier valve springs and avoid valve float, which usually immediately destroys an engine when it over-revs.

Usually these camshafts have very long durations (open time for the valves), and normally would result in an engine that might have to idle at 1,500 RPM. And the idle was rough. But this technique, not carried too far has been adopted by at least GM in their popular 3.8L of the 90s. Thing is, with advanced computerized control of all other engine parameters, they made them run smooth. And they were efficient as well. But they had balls considering their displacement. This from one who has owned a few big blocks.

Anyway, back to the OT. What the inventor of this Humtraption must have done is figure out a way to quick start and shutdown a turbine engine. That is impressive. You can't have  turbine idling all the time and expect any efficiency. The only way I can see something like this working is to have a gear train and a fluid coupling system. This keeps the turbine up to starting speed at all times, and then when it kicks in the ratio changes and instead of a load, the member produces power.

Tell you what, we deal a few cars here and there, and GMs are the most advanced, at least since the late 80s. Fords and Chryslers were way behind. GM had almost given up on distributors in favor of multiple coils and some Dodges still had carbeurators.

So the Superhummer is wonderful. I think it is a most likely unsurpassed feat of engineering. But I don't expect to see one in my driveway anytime soon.

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