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RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 8:45:25 AM

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In a lawsuit filed by the RIAA against an Arizona man, the Recording Industry Association of America claims that transferring music from a legally purchased CD to a computer is illegal even if it is for personal use. They claim it is an unauthorized reproduction of copyright material.

A man is being sued in Arizona for thousands of dollars because he transferred music from CDs that he purchased onto his computer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 9:03:40 AM

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 9:06:00 AM

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If RECORDING ARTISTS had any fucking integrity, they'd be standing up against the RIAA too.

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 9:16:23 AM

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Now THAT is some major bullshit. The article doesn't say if there is a defense fund, but I'd pull out my checkbook on this one.

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 9:20:37 AM

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Now THAT is some major bullshit. The article doesn't say if there is a defense fund, but I'd pull out my checkbook on this one.

They must take a pay cut like the rest of us have. Automation and offshoring are reality- not promoters who have long screwed teh artists.

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 9:24:25 AM

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OK, here is my question then...

If you can't put CD's that you purchased on your computer without getting sued by the RIAA, how in the heck would you be able to use your IPOD? You have to put the music on ITunes to get it over to an IPOD.

Am I the only one who finds this odd? Wonder if Apple will have anything to say about this.

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 9:29:35 AM

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This is one of the dumbest ass things to come down the pike in a while. And how many cassette tapes did we reproduce as teens and swap? I know that between just myself and a few others we did 10s of thousands of the things and nobody was complaining then, let alone taking us to court over it. This isn't even about reproducing and doing anything other than listening to it.

I often install CDs to my laptop so that I can have it with me when I travel. What's next? If my parents give me some Charmin Ultra, which I love but won't pay the price to purchase, I will be sued and pay a surcharge per square? This RIAA shit makes about as much sense to me.

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 9:39:57 AM

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I want to be PAID if I overhear so-called music that the neighbor plays loud. Come to think of it- I might sue the RAII

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 9:42:47 AM

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And the RIAA wonders why their sales are off lately. If you pay for the music and still will be sued for using it as you desire then what is the point of paying for it? Might as well rip it from some P2P site since the end result will be the same.

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 9:42:48 AM

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The article itself isn't written very well. If you investigate the CASE against the "CD Ripper", it appears he is alleged to have shared the files he ripped.

Of course, that doesn't diminish the hard-line stance of the RIAA, which is "There is no Fair-Use".

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 9:44:17 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: corsettemptress

OK, here is my question then...

If you can't put CD's that you purchased on your computer without getting sued by the RIAA, how in the heck would you be able to use your IPOD? You have to put the music on ITunes to get it over to an IPOD.

Am I the only one who finds this odd? Wonder if Apple will have anything to say about this.

I guess they want you to soley use music bought off of iTunes.

The music industry is in one hell of a mess.

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 9:46:53 AM

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If the precedent of permanent control over intellectual property passes the courts, look for CDs/DVDs or downloads that expire after a few listens or views, and have to be re-purchased. (Vista licensing sound familiar to anyone?)

This is the same corporate greed that led to a band in Tallahassee Florida being sued for not paying the BMI/ASCAP royalty fees, even though they were performing only their own original songs ( and even though they would have never seen a penny of their own royalties).

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 9:49:49 AM

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I read on some comment about the possibility of a class action suit due to the extra charge that is on every blank cd purchased because it is known that there will be recordings made on to them.

No, I do not recall the details. But I would be willing to be a part of that class action.

Also, the RAII, would not really have much to stand on regarding putting music legally purchased onto ones personal computer because of the length of time that it has been going on.

Although I would like to note that between the RAII and the writers guild, the entertainment industry is having massive issues.

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 9:51:26 AM

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They first targetted the services and servers that allowed "peer-to-peer" networking like Napster....that didn't work because now they have programs that dont have a central server to pull the plug on...
...so then they started going after people individually. That scare tactic hasnt worked either.

Now they are trying to target MP3 technology. They think if they can eliminate that, it might make it more difficult to trade the files online.

But like it says in the article, everything the RIAA has done so far has either failed and/or backfired. The record labels are trying to preserve an obsolete business model which they had total power over and were making major profits. The industry is refusing to modernize. To their credit, some labels have begun to move towards selling digital media which you can download. But the big major labels that control the strings of the RIAA are resisting that modernization because they know they are going to lose some profit, the executives will take a paycut, and they will not have as much control over the industry.

It's an odd situation. Because right now the RIAA is in the business of suing their customers believing that they are all thieves.

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 9:53:27 AM

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Hi

i am glad i live in Norway, here the law clearly says that you are allowed to copy information you have buy as long as it is for personal use. You can for example make one copy of a CD to have in your car and so on.

But the RIAA or as i like to call them the MAFIAA have put pressure on Norway to to comply whit their insane demands.

i wish you all well

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 10:18:28 AM

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This industry has been sowing the seeds for its downfall for years. I'm old enough to remember when they began putting on the jackets of vinyl LPs their slogan- "Home taping is killing the recording industry." But the intransigence of this industry is what created the home taping market. There were two good reasons to go to taping your own vinyl-
1) vinyl didn't last long when played repeatedly- it developed scratches, pops, etc. So some folks decided that taping a favorite album- and then listening to the tape made more sense. When the tape crapped out- just pull the vinyl out and make another copy.
2) The tapes they sold sucked. They used cheap quality tape that didn't last long, and didn't sound as good as the home version- not by a long shot. So what could you do if you had a good tape deck in a car and wanted decent sound? You had to make your own.

Fast forward to today. Buy a CD and what happens when it craps out? I've bought a bunch of CDs in my life, and several of them have developed defects. Try and contact a label such as Capitol Records to get it replaced? Good luck- their website doesn't allow you to contact them. Why shouldn't you be able to get a replacement CD for a nominal sum- like a buck or two? After all, you've purchased the rights to listen to the music, if the media is defective it should be replaced for the cost of the media (or considered customer support which is what any responsible industry would do). If you have to purchase the CD again- then you've paid for the rights to listen to the music TWICE.

The problem with this industry's claim that you're violating copyright is that the system only works in their favor. If you buy a shirt- then the shirt mfg doesn't care who wears the shirt or if you sell it again. When it wears out- you buy another. That's how the RIAA views their media-so where do they get off saying that they want their intellectual property (IP) safeguarded? You can't buy IP twice-or multiple times- you either have the rights to listen to it, or you don't.

As far as I'm concerned the RIAA are thieves- not in an abstract sense that they've mistreated the artists that provide their livelihood- but they've stolen from their customers by charging twice for selling them the same rights that were purchased the first time (assuming anybody else has ever replaced a CD, vinyl, or tape that's ever crapped out.) That their lawyers are letting them get away with this is ridiculous-but goes to show that a rich company can still afford snazzier lawyers than the poor consumer. If anybody wants to set up a class action lawsuit- I'm in.

Sam

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 10:29:45 AM

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If RECORDING ARTISTS had any fucking integrity, they'd be standing up against the RIAA too.

most independent artists are standing up against the RIAA ...haven't heard on peep from the major, mainstream crowd yet.

well i guess i'm going to be sued next for all the songs i have transferred off CDs (indie/maimnstream) onto my pc to my iPod.

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 10:57:27 AM

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In a lawsuit filed by the RIAA against an Arizona man, the Recording Industry Association of America claims that transferring music from a legally purchased CD to a computer is illegal even if it is for personal use. They claim it is an unauthorized reproduction of copyright material.

In my best Bart Simpson Voice:

"I didn’t do it! Nobody saw me do it! You can’t prove anything! I know the law, man!"

Seriously, this is nothing new. Whenever a new technology eclipses an old technology those who profit from the old technology try to evoke the law to protect their profits. It is a vain, rearguard action that will ultimately fail. Change is inevitable, adapt or die.

I read once somewhere that when Gutenberg invented his printing press some scribes protested and tired to have it banned because they feared – quite rightly – that it would put them out of business.

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 11:19:08 AM

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What a bunch of B.S.
Once you *purchase* a music CD is it not your property?
Would Ford or GM sue me if I *purchased* one of their vehicles and then let other people ride in it?
Sounds like one of the seven deadly sins on the RIAA's part, *GREED*.
They think they can tell you what you can do with *your property* after you *purchase* it?
That doesn't make sense.

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RE: RIAA says transferring music to computer is illegal - 1/1/2008 11:52:56 AM

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Hi Popeye

Not quite. Without copyright law- what's to stop anyone from purchasing something involving IP- say a book- and printing up their own copies and selling them- without paying royalties to the author?

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