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Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 8:33:52 AM   
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I DID NOT WRITE THIS.

Tanos did, Here's his link : http://www.enslavement.org.uk/reactance

He has many many essays on D/s and most are very useful. I just thought this is a great thing for everyone to read.


Reactance to Enslavement


The theory of "Psychological Reactance" was first proposed by J.W. Brehm in 1966 [1], and has become a well established tool in the academic study of persuasion and related psychological processes. This essay briefly reviews the theory, and then applies it to Internal Enslavement. Brehm's summary [2] is "In general, the theory holds that a threat to or loss of a freedom motivates the individual to restore that freedom. ... The theory stipulates what constitutes a freedom, how freedoms can be threatened or eliminated, and how the ensuing motivational state (psychological reactance) will manifest itself." The theory also associates the state of reactance with emotional stress, anxiety, resistance and struggle for the individual, and assumes people are motivated to escape from these feelings.

Read the rest at the link above.


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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 8:36:49 AM   
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Egads.. this article really makes me glad I was doing this long before someone had to explain it to me. 
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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 8:45:55 AM   
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LOL sorry -- I am a bit of a geek and love these type of essays LOL

Regards, slave emma

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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 10:03:31 AM   
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emma,

I hope it its lighter reading than the sample.

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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 10:24:46 AM   
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It's an easy enough concept, and something I touched upon with my first post on the 'Normal?' thread. You see it in children, or anyone who has a loss of liberty wherein they see their personal space closed down and when that happens, there's a number of stages to go through and one of them is reactance before an acceptance of 'state'. Sometimes we want something so much and take steps to achieve it, but struggle with the realities. It's simply a period of adjustment.

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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 10:32:36 AM   
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you nailed it, I think there are people on here who are struggling and trying to figure out why, so I thought this essay would help, I know it helped me on the beginning of my journey... the whole.. getting push so pushing back thing to see what happens ... not because your a bad slave or sub, but just because you need to know bounderies, make sure things are consistant... being trained as a slave in many ways isn't all that different then being a parent... consistancy is key.

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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 10:55:13 AM   
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There is such a thing as overthinking.  This is a prime example at its finest.  Sometimes I think that people need to justify themselves so much that latching on to doublespeak is the perfect lifeline.
I say this.
If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad. 
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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 11:05:08 AM   
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I loved it.  It explained very clearly the answer to so many threads that ask, "Why did I act this way?"  or  "Why did I resist him?"  

Information is power, and if, while a slave is going through what lili did in that essay, she knows and understands how her mind is processing, she can spare herself (and possibly her Master) much anxiety. 

In the very beginning of my training with Mr. Wonderful, he directed me to a website (B.E.S.T. Slave Training), saying it contained some theories he took on for himself, even though he didn't agree with all of it.  He wanted me to read through it and I did, and it had a similar essay to the one you posted, which helped me a great deal along the way.  I could understand why my mind was reacting as I was, and not think I was this horrible person or this horrible slave as a result.  I didn't have to question my own submission because I understood the process.

The article I read was on "Resistance and Reactance" and was written by L.M. Brammer and E.L. Shostrom.  Here is the link to it:  http://bestslavetraining.com/Resistance.htm

Kudos to you for posting it.

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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 12:45:10 PM   
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I've seen that before. I think it's a reaction to too much, too soon. If the dominant takes his/her time and isn't hamfisted reactance doesn't have to happen.

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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 3:05:52 PM   
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I've read it and the B.E.S.T. site. I found them both helpful even if I don't follow them exactly.

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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 6:38:57 PM   
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I've read it and the B.E.S.T. site. I found them both helpful even if I don't follow them exactly.


I'm not sure anyone would want to follow another's "way" exactly, otherwise you wouldn't be your own unique self!    But some of these sites do offer some good food for thought, and this particular subject matter was quite interesting and helpful to me.  I'm glad the OP posted it, as maybe it will be helpful to others. 

In recent Castle Realm discussions, it was mentioned that information from other sites is not discussed often enough.  I applaud the OP for adding more food for thought.

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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 8:10:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

I loved it.  It explained very clearly the answer to so many threads that ask, "Why did I act this way?"  or  "Why did I resist him?"  

Kudos to you for posting it.


Its amazing to me, yes I completely read one article, how something very beneficial in all of life experiences, needs to be reduced to something that only happens in M/s.
 
My therapist and I have been working on these very "ideas" for several years now.   Interesting !


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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 8:18:58 PM   
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It's really simple. To overcome reactance, see what they payoff is.

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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 8:28:36 PM   
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Reactance to Enslavement

The theory of "Psychological Reactance" was first proposed by J.W. Brehm in 1966 [1], and has become a well established tool in the academic study of persuasion and related psychological processes. This essay briefly reviews the theory, and then applies it to Internal Enslavement. Brehm's summary [2] is "In general, the theory holds that a threat to or loss of a freedom motivates the individual to restore that freedom. ... The theory stipulates what constitutes a freedom, how freedoms can be threatened or eliminated, and how the ensuing motivational state (psychological reactance) will manifest itself." The theory also associates the state of reactance with emotional stress, anxiety, resistance and struggle for the individual, and assumes people are motivated to escape from these feelings.


I know that my approach to my slavery is different from many - but I *really* can't get into these types of things.  I don't push boundaries in my relationship.  I agreed to be, and behave, a certain way.  I agreed to our dynamic.  It was as much my doing as his.  I don't blame him for "taking" my freedoms - he only "takes" them because I gave them to him.  Thus, there's no excuse - or reason - for me to "act out" at any time.

So no.  I don't agree with this theory of enslavement. 

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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 9:19:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sirsinini

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

I loved it.  It explained very clearly the answer to so many threads that ask, "Why did I act this way?"  or  "Why did I resist him?"  

Kudos to you for posting it.


Its amazing to me, yes I completely read one article, how something very beneficial in all of life experiences, needs to be reduced to something that only happens in M/s.
 
My therapist and I have been working on these very "ideas" for several years now.   Interesting !


Sir's devoted property 


Who said it's only in M/s?  Brehm (author who influenced OPs article) originally developed the theory in regards to social influence on people's freedom of autonomy - in their decisions, reactions, etc. 

Brockner wrote about Reactance in The Journal of Experimental and Social Psychology (1985) as it relates to self esteem, attitude and motivation.

Knight & Gannon wrote about it as it applies to sexual roles in society.

K.I. Minor wrote an article in 1987 on how it relates to probation policies.

Brammer  wrote on the theory as it relates to rehabilitaion psychology.

Just because someone applies a theory to M/s doesn't mean it is viewed as something "that only happens in M/s." as you surmised.

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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/29/2007 10:28:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jakeskajira

I DID NOT WRITE THIS.

Tanos did, Here's his link : http://www.enslavement.org.uk/reactance

He has many many essays on D/s and most are very useful. I just thought this is a great thing for everyone to read.


Reactance to Enslavement





Personally, I liked the article although I thought some of the terminolgy was stretching things a bit and, this may be my own perception, but it seems there were somethings which were a bit convoluted (or twisted perhaps) as if to prove a reaction when a proactive perception could have easily been applied.

For example, when he talks about 'having to select a chair' in which to sit as a stress inducer causing a negative reaction to a loss of freedom when one could easily say 'getting to select a chair' in which to sit which would embrace your freedom to choose. One is reactive, the other proactive so, in that instance, it comes down to a matter of perception.

really enjoyed the example of lili coming home to find the door locked to the computer room and the various reactions she went through in trying to come to terms with the situation. Having gone through very similar trials myself, I can completely relate to her state of mind at that time.

These days, I would no longer react in such a manner because I have accepted my place in his life and new restrictions are simply accepted for what they are .. new restrictions. I'd have a much harder time coming home to find a door which has always been locked, now open. That's actually a pretty good way to mind fuck me. Give me back what you've taken away for so long and watch me try to swim carrying the new weight. I can so see Himself doing something like that, too! ::laughs::

Thanks for the post, jakeskajira. I enjoyed it. :)

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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/30/2007 8:36:26 AM   
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Overall I thought it was a good article.  It generally does a good job of presenting Brehm's theory in lay terms and applied to a specific context.  For those dominants who take the time to read it and understand it, it could be useful in understanding the behavior of individual submissives, as well as predicting likely behaviors at certain times under specific conditions.  Sometimes knowing why something happens makes it a good deal easier to be patient with the fact that it does happen.

But, I do think in a few places the article could have done with a little more editing and better examples...

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Personally, I liked the article although I thought some of the terminolgy was stretching things a bit and, this may be my own perception, but it seems there were somethings which were a bit convoluted (or twisted perhaps) as if to prove a reaction when a proactive perception could have easily been applied.

For example, when he talks about 'having to select a chair' in which to sit as a stress inducer causing a negative reaction to a loss of freedom when one could easily say 'getting to select a chair' in which to sit which would embrace your freedom to choose. One is reactive, the other proactive so, in that instance, it comes down to a matter of perception.

While I think I understand the author's reasoning for mentioning having to select a chair, I don't think its was a good choice of examples.  The article could have either dispensed with any specific examples of the sorts of base-line reactance a submissive experiences in everyday life (that is outside the specific context of a power exchange relationship) as they aren't really relevant to the article, or simply used better examples.  But there are probably few such examples common to submissives that aren't common to virtually anyone.  For example, a submissive would certainly experience reactance and subsequently anxiety and anger at having to wait an additional 30 min to pick up a pizza that was ordered 40 min previously (that is the pizza was ordered and was supposed to be ready in 40 min, but then the submissive discovers upon arrival to pick up the pizza that it will be another 30 min before it is ready)... but then who among us wouldn't?  I do believe there are certain archtypes of submissives who do experience reactance and anxiety specific to their submissive nature under specific conditions... but I don't believe that is true of all submissives.  That is, some submissive seek out and need a much more structured and controlled environment than others.  Such submissives, from my observation, may experience greater levels of anxiety in dealing with everyday tasks, and thus seek an environment (ie, relationship) where conditions are more controlled and presented in a form that causes them less anxiety in dealing with them.  But this is not true of all submissives, illustrating the wide range of behaviors, personalities, needs and "archtypes" that exist under that single grouping of "submissives".

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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/30/2007 11:48:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
the example of lili coming home to find the door locked to the computer room and the various reactions she went through in trying to come to terms with the situation.


I don't get this either.  Why lock the door?  Why not just *communicate*, and say, "you can't go in there" or whatever?

I'd be pissed if he just locked the door without saying anything, too - but not because of loss of freedom.  Instead it would be because he'd treated me like a child (who couldn't understand/obey a request to stay out of a room) and not like his adult slave partner (who absolutely can, and would). 

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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/30/2007 11:50:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jakeskajira

I DID NOT WRITE THIS.

Tanos did, Here's his link : http://www.enslavement.org.uk/reactance

He has many many essays on D/s and most are very useful. I just thought this is a great thing for everyone to read.


Reactance to Enslavement


The theory of "Psychological Reactance" was first proposed by J.W. Brehm in 1966 [1], and has become a well established tool in the academic study of persuasion and related psychological processes. This essay briefly reviews the theory, and then applies it to Internal Enslavement. Brehm's summary [2] is "In general, the theory holds that a threat to or loss of a freedom motivates the individual to restore that freedom. ... The theory stipulates what constitutes a freedom, how freedoms can be threatened or eliminated, and how the ensuing motivational state (psychological reactance) will manifest itself." The theory also associates the state of reactance with emotional stress, anxiety, resistance and struggle for the individual, and assumes people are motivated to escape from these feelings.

Read the rest at the link above.


fabulous and perfect timing for me.
Huge thanks for this.


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RE: Reactance : explained - 12/30/2007 12:39:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Padriag

Overall I thought it was a good article.  It generally does a good job of presenting Brehm's theory in lay terms and applied to a specific context.  For those dominants who take the time to read it and understand it, it could be useful in understanding the behavior of individual submissives, as well as predicting likely behaviors at certain times under specific conditions.  Sometimes knowing why something happens makes it a good deal easier to be patient with the fact that it does happen.

    snipped by me

I think that between this article and those found on the B.E.S.T. site, resistance and reactance is explained pretty fully.  Understanding of what the sub's mind is going through at the various stages is paramount to leading her to the desired results.  I have a question though:  In any given situation, there is the normal amount of reactance which the Dom then can push.  When the sub reaches peak reactance, she does not automatically come to the helpless and acceptance stage.  This is also where the "fight or flight" instinct can kick in.  And not all subs choose flight, ie acceptance and behavioural/attitude change.  A human is built with choice and free will, sometimes this can override any training situation and she will dig in her heels and balk.  She doesn't even need to understand that she does it, it may not even be intentional, it's just an instinct.  It may be a trigger from the past, it may be a deep character trait, it may just be a bad 'headachy' upset day.  But the "fight back" instinct is strong and may take over.  How the Dom handles that, I think, is the telling point.  It's easy enough to explain and hug and rejoice when the sub peaks and accepts...how does he handle it when she hits the "fight back" point?

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