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Musicmystery -> Only Bush (12/27/2007 1:38:10 PM)
Only Bush could announce (at a press conference to address the assassination of Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto) “those who committed this crime must be brought to justice” about a killer who then blew himself up. But then (since the last National Republican Convention stressed “a vote for Bush is a vote for God!) he probably just picked up the bat phone, talked to the Big Guy and told him what to do (just like he has on a host of other “moral” issues, like blocking life-saving cell stem research). Only Bush. It’s his mandate. In the 2000 campaign, a 60 minutes reporter asked Bush if he could name the Prime Minister of Pakistan. “No,” he answered with obvious disdain. “Can you?” He could. Most educated people could-- Pervez Musharraf, the military leader who took over the country. Musharraf, the all important ally in the “War on Terror” supposedly against Osama bin Laden, but which quickly spiraled into an ill-justified quagmire in Iraq. Only Bush. And Musharraf, along with Putin, leaders able to seize and hold power in ways that exceed Bush’s Supreme Court grab in 2000. Undoubtedly his heroes. They, however, didn’t have to face the U.S. Constitution and the balance of powers. Poor only Bush—yet he can condemn oppressive regimes in the same breath that he embraces them when it serves his purpose. But as he has ably demonstrated, the Constitution and balance of powers can be corrupted and undermined. I only hope that we actually have a democratic election in 2008, not a “declaration of national emergency” to leave Bush in power. We can’t continue with only Bush. I hope his regime doesn’t force us to beyond Jan. 2009.

Raechard -> RE: Only Bush (12/27/2007 3:12:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Only Bush could announce (at a press conference to address the assassination of Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto) “those who committed this crime must be brought to justice” about a killer who then blew himself up. There is never only one person involved in these actions. There is the naive fool that blows himself up, the father figure that convinced him to do it and the people that fund and supply the materials and training needed to carry out such an act. Maybe it was these people Mr Bush was speaking of?

Musicmystery -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 10:00:43 AM)
Hi Raechard, That's certainly true, of course. I was thinking more of the string of silly pronouncements from President Cowboy--Osama bin Laden Dead or Alive, We're gonna hunt them from their holes--not to mention the Mission Accomplished shananagins now years ago, lives ago, billions of dollars ago, nothing but a bitter reminant of Rumsfeld's fantasy and Cheney's synicism. I just pray that the next president, assuming our system can survive the assaults this administration has made and liikely will continue to make on the Constitution long enough to have a next president and not a "state of emergency," whether Republican or Democrat, black or white, male or female, Protestant or Morman, governor or senator, whatever, will have the strength, common sense, intelligence, moral fiber and foresight to return the U.S. to a rational path and begin to mop up the decades long mess this administration has foised upon us. When even your own party abandons you in droves, maybe it's time to consider that maybe, just maybe, you're doing something wrong....

RazorJAK -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 12:01:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery When even your own party abandons you in droves, maybe it's time to consider that maybe, just maybe, you're doing something wrong.... He'd not be Bush if he ever stopped to consider if what he was doing was wrong. His mindset has him believing that those who abandon him are merely traitors to the cause.

popeye1250 -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 12:57:25 PM)
Yeah, what's Bush talking about? It's been what, 6 YEARS now and Bin Laden and al qeada STILL haven't been "brought to justice." WTF is going on with that?

Jester0587 -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 1:10:47 PM)
Oi, I'm going to give myself a headache doing this, but fine. I do agree with Rambo up there about there being more than one person involved. If you were going for the silly comments, every president has them, not just Bush. While we're on the topic, here's a little rant for you. Why is it that people are all for the war in the beginning, but now when the going gets tough, the country gets scared? In my eyes it was something that needed to be done, but needed more planning to do it. So he screwed up the planning, he's still a better president than Kerry would have made! People are so quick to put down anyone in the public's eye, to slander him and to make him look as vile as they can. Because of that everyone hates Bush, because god forbid he tries to take reactionary and preventitive action. Oh, and know that president everyone loves? Bill Clinton? That administration has more fellony charges than the watergate scandle, yet everyone LOVES him. I just don't get it. Every day something reminds me of how America always has only TWO choices in who's going to run the country, and every election both of them aren't qualified for the job. I want just one damn president that will tell the truth! Rant ended, sorry for that. Have a nice day.

willowspirit -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 1:11:48 PM)
Killing Bin Laden would be turning him into a "Martyr for the Cause !" would only add more motivation for al Qada (spelling ?). Bringing him to a world court would be an open invitation to be further tormented by his propaganda.. He'd use it it his advantage. Better to have the old fart die making a fool of himself over the internet. imho.

Jester0587 -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 1:14:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willowspirit Killing Bin Laden would be turning him into a "Martyr for the Cause !" would only add more motivation for el Qada. Bringing him to a world court would be an open invitation to be tormented by his propaganda.. He'd use it it his advantage. Better to have the old fart die making a fool of himself over the internet. imho. You sir are a genious. I completely agree with this statement.

Musicmystery -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 1:29:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jester0587 Oi, I'm going to give myself a headache doing this, but fine. I do agree with Rambo up there about there being more than one person involved. If you were going for the silly comments, every president has them, not just Bush. While we're on the topic, here's a little rant for you. Why is it that people are all for the war in the beginning, but now when the going gets tough, the country gets scared? In my eyes it was something that needed to be done, but needed more planning to do it. So he screwed up the planning, he's still a better president than Kerry would have made! People are so quick to put down anyone in the public's eye, to slander him and to make him look as vile as they can. Because of that everyone hates Bush, because god forbid he tries to take reactionary and preventitive action. Oh, and know that president everyone loves? Bill Clinton? That administration has more fellony charges than the watergate scandle, yet everyone LOVES him. I just don't get it. Every day something reminds me of how America always has only TWO choices in who's going to run the country, and every election both of them aren't qualified for the job. I want just one damn president that will tell the truth! Rant ended, sorry for that. Have a nice day. Hi Jester, Well, I DID blog and post against the war before the fact, and if it helps, I'll forward you the pieces. And yup, it earned me a huge helping of "you unpatriotic bastard" for my views. Clintion did, at least, prove that we could have a long period of peacetime expansion and economic prosperity. At my most cynical, I wonder if that's the problem--you can't jerk around happy people as well as scaring people, warning them it's the X People or the Y People we need to pull together to stop in order to get citizens to suspend criticism and just do whatever you want them to do.

Jester0587 -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 1:39:03 PM)
Not necessarily. And note, I don't consider you any less patriotic for not supporting the war, we just have different views. In fact, I believe that we need to have more protests and proactive means of conveying dissaprovals like we used to back in the 70's and early 80's. At least you didn't change your mind, which is my number one pet peeve. As for Clinton, his 'economic growth' was found on the up-swing of the regular economic cycle, though I do credit him with acting as a catalyst for it I don't credit him with the entirety of it. Also, he cut foreign policy from what I remember, and also cut other military and policy spending in order to take his little trips. I just don't like the man, does it show? I'd love to have another Roosevelt (who Bush is ironically related to) or Eisenhower (sp?). If only I was alive in that time... God I hate being 20 though, noone listens to you that is of any importance...

Musicmystery -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 2:17:09 PM)
Why is it that so many discussions about Bush's problems just change the subject to "Yeah, but Clinton..."?

Jester0587 -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 2:21:29 PM)
Oh no no, that was a rant, I'm sorry. Bush -does- have problems but noone is perfect. Since Clinton is the last president I used him, since that's who I, as young as I am, can relate to. Now, with Bush what I -don't- like about him is how he's very 'shoot first ask questions later,' which lead to the problems we're having now in Iraq. Very irresponsible for a president, though he's not the first.

BloodLuna -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 2:28:47 PM)
luna may be showing some of her political ignorance here but she still is of the opinion that impeaching a president for getting a blow job is stupid and not impeaching a president for killing our boys in a civil war we don't belong in, not to mention the crimes against the constitution, just plain doesn't make any sense. personally - at least the president who got a blow job got results from his efforts! Jester: Luna agrees with you about protests. but in a time when you can be arrested as a terrorist for speaking out against the war or Bush (see executive orders from the last few years) most of the folk that would protest are too damn scared of ending up in the Waterboarding Club as paid members and now a question. musharef just laid out a map for how to take a country right before elections and get away with it. whats to stop Bush and Family from doing the same thing??? forgive luna her ignorance - questioning is how she learns luna

Jester0587 -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 2:54:19 PM)
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subfever -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 3:13:36 PM)
I hear Paul McCartney is coming out with a new song, It's Only Bush... : http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/2007/12/03/oh-shit-weve-got-some-heather-mills-pussy/

bipolarber -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 4:57:19 PM)
Yeah, Jester... the Bush administration has so few scandals attached to it: Torture (waterboarding, electrified scrotums, bound prisoners having dogs set on them, forced homosexual acts, freezing temps, starvation, etc.) Destruction of taped evidence of torture Fear suspension of Hebeas Corpus military tribunals for "enemy combatants" (without an official decleration of war) politisizing the justice department (replacing justices based on political affiliation only) warantless wiretapping Ignoring the constitution. Phone call record database of every call made in the US stop gap enslavement of troops No draft, despite being in the "fight of our lives" Quagmire Fear "We'll be greeted as liberators!" Bush to UN: "Fuck you!" "You're either with us, or against us!" lack of body armor for troops "Mission accomplished" Still no capture of Bin Laiden being in the pocket of the Saudis No recognition of global warming until last year letting the Kyoto protocols remain unratified until expiration "We've turned the corner in Iraq." duct tape and plastic bags color coded "terror alerts" "We're fighting them over there, so they won't come here." Fear letting the polluters set their own standards no alternative energy initiative until two years ago didn't read the intel on terrorist preperations for 9/11, presented to him on 9/5 attempted to create "turn in your neighbor" legislation $148 billion so far, with no real political progress no bid contracts for Halliburton Abu Grahib Gitmo Black prisons overseas extraordinary rendition (kidnapping) Fear "The insurgency is in it's last throes." no funding for his "No Child Left Behind" mandate cutting the funding for S-Chip healthcare for kids swiftboating a 12 yar old for saying how S-Chip helped their family cutting the health care funding for returning vets cutting the funding for military funerals No fucking WMD's ever! Fear outing Valerie Plame, and everyone who ever worked with her, at the CIA. Why? because her husband said his reason for going to war was a bald faced LIE! "Heck of a job, Brownie." Two years later, and still no progress in New Orleans. Attempted another drumbeat for war, this time on Iran. Mysterious call to FL on election night to brother Jeb 38,000 votes from the black community there being discounted being installed by a republican member of the FL supreme court "won" by 318 votes.... no, really. (trust us on this one) sitting there, looking at "My Pet Goat" for 12 fucking minutes while the towers fell (if you think that's harsh, remember, no one knew what kind of attack it was at the time...there could have been nukes on the way to several cities.. 12 minutes... 12 fucking minutes while D.C., New York and others could have been vaporized...) Allowing all members of the Bin Leiden family to leave the US while everything else was grounded. More fear Stem cell research ban to please the religious nutjobs "Let's teach both creationisim and evolution in schools!" Spent $80 billion on DHS, nothing to show for it. No scanners of harbor containers, nothing. Just more airport security. Which doesn't work. MORE FEAR!!! This man's administration, the one that was supposed to "restore dignity and respect" to the white house, is a fucking trainwreck! His legacy will be as the worst Presidency in the history of the US. Clinton? Let's see.... he was caught in a lie to congress. About a blowjob. Which had nothing to do with the Whitewater "witch hunt" headed up by Ken Starr. In the mean time, unemployment was 1/4 of what it is today, the economy was the best it'd been since WWII. We were still relatively at peace, despite the attacks on the Cole, and other skirmishes. We were on good relations with most of the world. Oh, yeah, and gas was still $1.00 a gallon. You can keep on your knees with a bottle of mouthwash for Bush if you want to, Jester, but I've had a belly full of this GOP prick. I've been noticing a lot of folks who have Bush/Cheany bumperstickers have been scraping them off... even the hardliners like Pat Bucahannan are turning their back on him. You can keep blaming Clinton for as long as you like. It won't change a thing. Impeach the cheerleader... save the world.

Jester0587 -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 11:23:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber Yeah, Jester... the Bush administration has so few scandals attached to it: Thanks for the sarcasm. quote: Torture (waterboarding, electrified scrotums, bound prisoners having dogs set on them, forced homosexual acts, freezing temps, starvation, etc.) Not him or his administration, that was down the line a bit, and tried harshly in a military court of law. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Send me a link and I'd be happy to read it. quote: Destruction of taped evidence of torture Fear suspension of Hebeas Corpus military tribunals for "enemy combatants" (without an official decleration of war) politisizing the justice department (replacing justices based on political affiliation only) warantless wiretapping Not defending him here. quote: Ignoring the constitution. How? I can't say he did or didn't do it. Tell me how, but as far as I know he stood within his power. quote: Phone call record database of every call made in the US stop gap enslavement of troops No draft, despite being in the "fight of our lives" If he said "fight of our lives" in reference to the Iraq war I'll laugh. Not going to lie, that would be -really- stupid. quote: Quagmire Fear "We'll be greeted as liberators!" I think at first we were, if I'm not mistaken. It wasn't until the sects started their civil wars and power struggles that we started being frowned upon. quote: Bush to UN: "Fuck you!" Just because the UN was disagreeable to taking action does not instantly make it wrong, just a political hot point. quote: "You're either with us, or against us!" Ever hear 'an enemy of our enemy is a friend'? In politics that's how it works. That equates to 'a friend of our enemy is an enemy.' In a perfect world it wouldn't be viewed like that, but this isn't a perfect world. quote: lack of body armor for troops "Mission accomplished" Dumb. Agreed. quote: Still no capture of Bin Laiden I liked the quote above, had you read it, that that would be a great opportunity for recruitment. That was a briliant mind who said that. quote: being in the pocket of the Saudis No recognition of global warming until last year Because warming isn't a problem. The world depends on greenhouse gasses to keep stable. Know what the major greenhouse gas is? Water vapor! Oh, and the world's only gotten hotter by .4 degrees farenheight over the past 25 years, not enough to make us unstable or irreversable. Did I forget to mention; some places are getting -cooler-. Here, take a read: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html quote: letting the Kyoto protocols remain unratified until expiration "We've turned the corner in Iraq." duct tape and plastic bags color coded "terror alerts" "We're fighting them over there, so they won't come here." Because they've already come over here more than once, and now we're taking it to them. quote: Fear letting the polluters set their own standards Write a letter to congress, get up and do something. I don't care what you do. Personally, I think they have some control over pollution, but if I look in to it and see that they don't, I'll be inclined to write a nasty letter myself. Hell, if enough of us do it they might gasp listen. quote: no alternative energy initiative until two years ago didn't read the intel on terrorist preperations for 9/11, presented to him on 9/5 attempted to create "turn in your neighbor" legislation $148 billion so far, with no real political progress no bid contracts for Halliburton Abu Grahib Gitmo Black prisons overseas extraordinary rendition (kidnapping) Fear "The insurgency is in it's last throes." no funding for his "No Child Left Behind" mandate cutting the funding for S-Chip healthcare for kids I skipped ahead to this. Know what I hate? Close-minded people that don't look into facts. The whole 'Bush cut health care' is crap, wanna know why? They set the low end to recieve these benefits at 80,000 a year for a four person family. Know what poverty level is? Less than half that. I am NOT paying health care benefits to people who can already afford it. I'm glad he shot it down. Come back to him with a sane number. quote: swiftboating a 12 yar old for saying how S-Chip helped their family cutting the health care funding for returning vets cutting the funding for military funerals No fucking WMD's ever! There's an interesting book out that explains how Iraq had two parts of a WMD; the explosive and the transportation. In Serbia, after the inspections and the war, they had the detonator. During the war they have satelite pictures that cought a serbian convoy entering Iraq, then leaving with the refugees. Wanna guess what was on it? quote: Fear You said that already quote: outing Valerie Plame, and everyone who ever worked with her, at the CIA. Why? because her husband said his reason for going to war was a bald faced LIE! Don't know anything about this so I can't say a word. Give me a link? quote: "Heck of a job, Brownie." Two years later, and still no progress in New Orleans. Progress is slow, but not inexistent. quote: Attempted another drumbeat for war, this time on Iran. Guess what? Kerry was for Iran more than Bush. quote: Mysterious call to FL on election night to brother Jeb 38,000 votes from the black community there being discounted being installed by a republican member of the FL supreme court "won" by 318 votes.... no, really. (trust us on this one) sitting there, looking at "My Pet Goat" for 12 fucking minutes while the towers fell (if you think that's harsh, remember, no one knew what kind of attack it was at the time...there could have been nukes on the way to several cities.. 12 minutes... 12 fucking minutes while D.C., New York and others could have been vaporized...) So...if there were nukes on the way to an overpopulated city and evacuation would be futile due to the population, what could he have done? quote: Allowing all members of the Bin Leiden family to leave the US while everything else was grounded. Wait...you mean...like the family members that were NOT involved? Oh yea, them. quote: More fear Yay repitition! quote: Stem cell research ban to please the religious nutjobs Wasn't there a stem cell research ban before Bush? Gimme a link, I'm actually interested in this. quote: "Let's teach both creationisim and evolution in schools!" Wait, who are you quoting? Huh? quote: Spent $80 billion on DHS, nothing to show for it. No scanners of harbor containers, nothing. Just more airport security. Which doesn't work. MORE FEAR!!! Enough with fear damnit, I get it, you're scared. quote: This man's administration, the one that was supposed to "restore dignity and respect" to the white house, is a fucking trainwreck! His legacy will be as the worst Presidency in the history of the US. Even though he's considered one of the world's most popular people for 2007. Right. quote: Clinton? Let's see.... he was caught in a lie to congress. About a blowjob. Which had nothing to do with the Whitewater "witch hunt" headed up by Ken Starr. In the mean time, unemployment was 1/4 of what it is today, the economy was the best it'd been since WWII. We were still relatively at peace, despite the attacks on the Cole, and other skirmishes. We were on good relations with most of the world. Oh, yeah, and gas was still $1.00 a gallon. Oh yea, despite him cutting foreign policies, military spending, and taking vactions with the money he magically 'found' after these cuts. Oh, and let's not forget selling military weaponry, including nuclear missiles and mustard gas, to other nations. Yea, I felt REAL safe with him. quote: You can keep on your knees with a bottle of mouthwash for Bush if you want to, Jester, but I've had a belly full of this GOP prick. I've been noticing a lot of folks who have Bush/Cheany bumperstickers have been scraping them off... even the hardliners like Pat Bucahannan are turning their back on him. You can keep blaming Clinton for as long as you like. It won't change a thing. Who was blaming Clinton? I just plain don't like the guy. Yea, he messed up when he could have gotten Laden, failed to react to numerous terrorist attacks, etc., but what's to blame? quote: Impeach the cheerleader... save the world. I'd like to state that this was a headache to read. First of all the gramar horrible. Second, if you're going to call something a scandal, make sure it's a scandal instead of a fuck up. There's a difference. fuck up To make a mistake; bungle something. To act carelessly, foolishly, or incorrectly. To cause to be intoxicated. scandal A publicized incident that brings about disgrace or offends the moral sensibilities of society: a drug scandal that forced the mayor's resignation. A person, thing, or circumstance that causes or ought to cause disgrace or outrage: a politician whose dishonesty is a scandal; considered the housing shortage a scandal. Damage to reputation or character caused by public disclosure of immoral or grossly improper behavior; disgrace. Talk that is damaging to one's character; malicious gossip. And finally, you look to be of sound mind and body, in your mid fourties I'd say? Act like it. Instead of jumping to conclusions and just writing some things down in an outrage. Oh, and the sarcasm that was a direct attack to me? Know that it lasted no longer than it took for me to read it. Edit:: Couldn't get the bullet points to go away...ha!

mnottertail -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 11:27:38 PM)
the word you are casting about for is grammar, and bush is still without exception the most glamourous and useless of pricks. Ron

UtopianRanger -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 11:27:46 PM)
quote: But then (since the last National Republican Convention stressed “a vote for Bush is a vote for God!) he probably just picked up the bat phone, talked to the Big Guy and told him what to do (just like he has on a host of other “moral” issues, like blocking life-saving cell stem research). Only Bush. It’s his mandate. Gotham City Revisited?!!? If Gotham City shines the Bat light up there on the underside of the clouds and Junior shows up in his little skin-tight yellow, red and green leotards, he can't claim "Well, I didn't mean for anyone to think I'm playing Da Boy Wonder." Too late.... Time to go wake up Da Old Bat{Shotgun} back at Da Bat Cave and see if he can talk you out of another jam. - R

Jester0587 -> RE: Only Bush (12/28/2007 11:28:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail the word you are casting about for is grammar, and bush is still without exception the most glamourous and useless of pricks. Ron Lol, a grammar mistake in my own grammar-bitching post. Schooled. Lol.

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