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HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 3:47:43 AM   
sharainks


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Status: offline 		Here is a link to some interesting information on the vaccine Gardasil which was "mandatory" in some states for very young girls.  Supposedly it was supposed to prevent cervical cancer.  Now it seems that it may create more problems than it helps. 

When in the sam hill will the FDA do what is it supposed to and protect the public rather than lining the pockets of the phamaceutical companies?

http://www.newstarget.com/022405.html
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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 4:34:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had decided months ago after doing a lot of research that I wasn't going to give it to my wee ones.  They are only six and four, but even by the time they're the recommended age there still won't be enough time for the research results to show that there are no adverse effects.  They only had a small percentage of young girls in the trials so they really don't know the effects on them.  And they don't tell you that there are huge  reactions to the vaccine, some deadly.  There seems to be a huge coverup by Merck so that they can make a ton of money off of this drug to make up for all of the Vioxx loses.
I don't have the sources of my researh as I did all of that reading months ago.  I did read enough to know that I will not ever give that drug to my girls.

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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 4:47:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I also decided not to consent to this after discussing it and getting her take on the issue.
This is a really interesting thread and I know we have to be careful not to break TOS or it will get pulled.  But the risks far outweighed the good from my POV and without negative family history it just wasn't advisable for it to be given in our case.
 
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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 4:49:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Having worked for such companies I am not surprised at all. Hate to say it to all those who were so quick to inject, but "I told you so."

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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 4:57:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		when this "one less" campaign first hit the airwaves, they made it seem like it was mana from heaven - a miracle cure to stop the spread of this virus ...i decided against it immediately for my 2.  i have the HPV virus myself however (and luckily) it hasn't developed into full blown cervical cancer simply because i take the required meds and get a biopsy every 4 to 6 months.  i don't know whether or not it's mandatory here in IL but i'm not going to subject mine to an injection that causes more harm than good.  i'll let them decide when they're older or as in my oldest's case since she's brain injured, i'll decide when. 

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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 5:37:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm stunned. I don't know why. It's not like I had any faith in the FDA, but I just thought they were incompetant. This is worse.

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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 6:49:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		As a physician and the parent of a young teenage daughter I was disturbed by this post so I went to the trouble of following these links out (and reading the supporting links). The bottom line is that this posting is 99% trash science. The group for which the vaccine may "increase cervical lesions" is women who already HAVE an active infection with the virus ie those whom absolutely were NOT supposed to get the vaccine! You all should get Gardisil for your daughters BEFORE they become sexually active.
If not, they will very possibly get cancer.

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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 6:54:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can give it to yours.  I won't be giving it to mine.  Too many side effects and not enough research.

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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 6:59:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		as i understand it, the vaccine protects against only 4 of the strains of HPV that can cause cervical cancer in the first place.  there are 40.  do we go with the crapshoot and hope we're covered, or subject our children to possibly useless and ineffective exposure, and possibly side effects that could be even more disasterous later on?  seems like it's just not enough of a benefit to risk ratio for me. 

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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 7:22:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		As usual, the actual "evidence" both for and against the vaccine is clouded in spin doctoring. This guy Adams is against mandatory vaccinations to begin with, so I wouldn't trust his stance to be completely based on fact, not at all.


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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 7:49:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PanthersMom

as i understand it, the vaccine protects against only 4 of the strains of HPV that can cause cervical cancer in the first place.  there are 40.  do we go with the crapshoot and hope we're covered, or subject our children to possibly useless and ineffective exposure, and possibly side effects that could be even more disasterous later on?  seems like it's just not enough of a benefit to risk ratio for me. 

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Actually, as I recall , there are 40 (or so) HPV strains, 15 (or so) or which may cause, or are linked to Cervical Cancer (or pre-cancerous leisions), and the Vaccine only prevents 4 of the strains.
 
I was struck, immediatly, by the ad campange. If the came up with a real cure for cancer, would they have to do such a 'hard sell' with it?

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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 8:40:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: topcat

I was struck, immediatly, by the ad campange. If the came up with a real cure for cancer, would they have to do such a 'hard sell' with it?




Exactly!!!  Pharmaceutical companies are in the business of making money. They bombard us daily with fear scripted commercials! The population is aging and there is a huge advert campaign aimed at ensuring much money is spent on "pharmaceutical" aids to ease the process along.

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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 10:19:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		my 5yr old is NOT sexually active ...neither is my teen. 

so as their mom, i have the right to refuse the injection.

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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 10:38:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know - heres an interesting idea - How about teaching good sexual education and prevention rather than a stop gap injection, Doctor?
 
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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 10:43:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do not think this vaccine should be given to young women and girls who are not sexually active.  A good education in human health in general and sexual in particular can lead to the discussions about whether or not to have the vaccine;
once the young lady is mature enough to make the decision for herself.

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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 1:03:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PanthersMom

as i understand it, the vaccine protects against only 4 of the strains of HPV that can cause cervical cancer in the first place.  there are 40.  do we go with the crapshoot and hope we're covered, or subject our children to possibly useless and ineffective exposure, and possibly side effects that could be even more disasterous later on?  seems like it's just not enough of a benefit to risk ratio for me. 

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It amazes me how junk science is accepted rather than real science.
So if only half the possible cases of cancer are prevented the shot is not worth having?
THe vaccine protects against 4 of the strains most likely to cause cancer.

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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 1:06:51 PM   
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my 5yr old is NOT sexually active ...neither is my teen. 

so as their mom, i have the right to refuse the injection.

Yes, as a libertarian I believe you should have that right.
But that doesn't mean that you aren't making a choice that could be dangerous for them. And most likely your choice is! The good news is that IN THE UNITED STATES cervical cancer very rarely kills so at least your error is not likely to kill them.
I am a physician. I have no axe to grind, no money to make and am as cynical about drug companies and the FDA as I should be.
But evidence is evidence.

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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 1:08:42 PM   
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I know - heres an interesting idea - How about teaching good sexual education and prevention rather than a stop gap injection, Doctor?
 
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I would think that the posters in this forum would be more savvy about people and their sexual behavior.

This sounds like something Bush might say.
Just be abstinant and then you don't need to worry about anything.
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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 1:15:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

I do not think this vaccine should be given to young women and girls who are not sexually active.  A good education in human health in general and sexual in particular can lead to the discussions about whether or not to have the vaccine;
once the young lady is mature enough to make the decision for herself.

I agree that there is NO utility to having this vaccine on board if you are going to die as a virgin.
Unfortunately this position is of little use for the young woman who catches the virus during one of her first ever sexual experiences.
It would be very nice indeed if every young lady would say to herself, several months BEFORE she FIRST has sex: gee I'm thinking about having sex, maybe I should get Gardisil to prevent getting cancer in 20 years.
We would ALL like to think of our daughters as being savvy enough to think that way and act so responsibly.
Unfortunately that is a LOT to ask!
And anyone who is willing to bet their daughters life that they will have THAT level of responsibility is gambling against LOOOOOOONG odds!

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RE: HPV vaccine may actually increase cervical lesions - 12/19/2007 1:42:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
What the hell has posters on this forum got to do with it?  And really - you really think that just because this is a BDSM forum, people know more or are more savvy on sexuality or more responsible?  Have you read any threads lately?
 
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