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The Pogues the BBC and modern values - 12/18/2007 4:42:31 PM   
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extract from the lyrics of a Pogues "song"
You're a bum
You're a punk
You're an old slut on junk
Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed
You scumbag, you maggot
You cheap lousy faggot
Happy Christmas your arse
I pray God it's our last


On this seasons replay the word faggot was first censored by the BBC  and then the censorship withdrawn on the grounds that the song, Fairy Tale of New York was  a wait for it.... a Christmas classic.

and some people think I'm nasty he he he he he he he
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RE: The Pogues the BBC and modern values - 12/18/2007 4:45:07 PM   
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Is the lead singer of the Pogues still alive?  The last time I saw him on television, he didn't look so great.  Of course he has looked like that for quite some time. 

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RE: The Pogues the BBC and modern values - 12/18/2007 4:51:18 PM   
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There was a bit of a stir with the use of "faggot" in the Dire Straits song, "Money For Nothing", too.

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The observations of the character included references to a musician "banging on the bongos like a chimpanzee" and a description of a singer as "that little faggot with the earring and the makeup", and lamenting that the artists got "money for nothing and chicks for free". These lyrics were widely criticised as sexist, anti-gay, and racist statements, and in some later releases of the song the lyrics were edited for airplay; "faggot" for example is often replaced with "mother": "little mother, he's a millionaire". The entire second verse was edited out for content and length for radio and video airplay, and on the 7" single. This edited version is included in the compilation album Sultans of Swing: The Very Best of Dire Straits.
In a late 1985 interview in Rolling Stone magazine, Knopfler expressed mixed feelings on the controversy:





I got an objection from the editor of a gay newspaper in London - he actually said it was below the belt. Apart from the fact that there are stupid gay people as well as stupid other people, it suggests that maybe you can't let it have so many meanings - you have to be direct. In fact, I'm still in two minds as to whether it's a good idea to write songs that aren't in the first person, to take on other characters.[5]

Mötley Crüe bassist Nikki Sixx, in an interview with Blender Magazine, says that the song is actually about his band's excessive lifestyle, and that he heard the clerk in the store were commenting on Mötley Crüe videos shown on the in-store television sets.[6]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_for_Nothing_(song)

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RE: The Pogues the BBC and modern values - 12/18/2007 7:19:43 PM   
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It's not just a classic- it is, in fact the greatest xmas song of all time (according to the VH1 (UK) poll, three years running.
 
See for yourself:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltiY-BqvOIU&feature=related

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RE: The Pogues the BBC and modern values - 12/19/2007 2:36:58 AM   
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Yes - the Pogues' vocalist is still alive - or at least was yesterday when he was interviewed about all this. Difficult to say whether he looks worse now than before. Kirsty meanwhile (the female singer) died a few years back. RIP Kirsty.

Funny thing is, this song has been playing for years with the word faggot in it, and no one has batted an eyelid; this censorship now has the word being used daily, as some sort of "cool" descriptor. Well done, PC thinkers. In any case, its not meant to mean anything derisory towards gay men in the context of the song.

Just to add - its a wonderful song that I find difficult to believe came from the man. Its also nice to play, but has some interesting chord changes.

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RE: The Pogues the BBC and modern values - 12/19/2007 10:31:14 AM   
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I have always liked the Pogues,Popes and the music of Shane McGowan, he writes about life and people, the reality of it all.Favourite song is;

'Thousands are Sailing'.The music to that song is excellent.

Saw Shane McGowan ten years ago at a concert where I was briefly in row three from the front.On he tottered, bottle in one hand, glass in the other and a fag wedged between his fingers and there went into the song 'Donegal Express', where who whole venue erupted and I made a beeline for a safer place,(well, I had to protect my cameras).

Long live Shane McGowan, although I expect not.

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