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Dodd's Filibuster Threat Stalls Wiretap Bill - 12/17/2007 8:13:23 PM

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"Senator Chris Dodd won a temporary victory today after his threats of a filibuster forced Democratic leadership to push back consideration of a measure that would grant immunity to telecom companies that were complicit in warrantless surveillance."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/17/dodds-filibuster-threat-_n_77220.html

Remember, the POTENTIAL FINES exceed the total value of AT&T. Can you say "Receivership" boys and girls?

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RE: Dodd's Filibuster Threat Stalls Wiretap Bill - 12/17/2007 8:33:37 PM

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Would you rather have telecom industries immune to judicial oversight? Do you really want to live in a world where the government can watch and record anyone, at any time, with no threat of anyone asking questions? Ever? I applaud Dodd. If these companies are following the law, they have nothing to worry about... but so far, on Qwest has said, "Fuck you, we're not invading anyone's privacy uless you have a warrant."

You're worried about recievership? What the hell's the difference? Etiher way, you get spied on, your phone tapped, and your emails read by the government.

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RE: Dodd's Filibuster Threat Stalls Wiretap Bill - 12/17/2007 8:35:31 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Would you rather have telecom industries immune to judicial oversight? Do you really want to live in a world where the government can watch and record anyone, at any time, with no threat of anyone asking questions? Ever? I applaud Dodd. If these companies are following the law, they have nothing to worry about... but so far, on Qwest has said, "Fuck you, we're not invading anyone's privacy uless you have a warrant."

You're worried about recievership? What the hell's the difference? Etiher way, you get spied on, your phone tapped, and your emails read by the government.

I wouldn't say I'm *worried* about receivership. I think it's the appropriate penalty for a company which so egregiously violated the terms of its' existence -- compliance with all applicable regulation and Law.

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RE: Dodd's Filibuster Threat Stalls Wiretap Bill - 12/18/2007 8:01:51 AM

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http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/12/18/victory/index.html

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Anatomy and Significance of yesterday's FISA victory

It is absolutely true that yesterday's victory in forcing Harry Reid to pull the FISA bill from the Senate floor is temporary. Allies of the administration and lawbreaking telecoms will spend the next several weeks plotting to overcome the obstacles thrown in their path yesterday and, like a weed that has been cut but not uprooted, will return in January to try again.

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RE: Dodd's Filibuster Threat Stalls Wiretap Bill - 12/18/2007 8:33:57 AM

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Link didn't work this morning but I get the gist of it.

I pay attention to these privacy issues. I do not follow them closeley but I have noticed something. It is getting to be "Damned if you do damned if you don't".

This is the information age. People pay for information. Now we have ISPs and telecom providers in a sticky wicket. If a court order demands specific records about a user, and the provider has it, well if it is persuant to the investigation of a crime wouldn't you say they should give it up ?

But now if the government asks for all records, ALL of them, that is wrong. You are now talking every email, everything. Emails that even the original sender can't retrieve. Ten years later in court "Do you remember writing this ?".

That's why I have a copy of every email I ever sent or recieved. If I retrieve email at a remote location I always keep it as new or mark unread. I will then get it at home so it is stored. If they have the records, dammit I will too.

But amma tellya. Harddrives are selling like hotcakes. Why does that matter ? I think the government actuall does wanyt to record every phone conversation, every email, everything that any of us serfs send to one another. I think they want to identify peopler who do not agree with them and selectively enforce the battery of hundreds of thousands of laws that nobody has really ever read to silence any opposition. I think they are either already doing that or are preparing to do that.

One little glimpse of evidence, if you choose to see it as such, is the sale of harddrives. I think the harddrive factories in China or wherever are running at full capacity all the time. With all the tyrannical governments out there they need to store information, to identify a at least politically neuter their enemies.

I have bought several harddrives online. They were not drop shipped, the package came from the place I ordered from. We are talking several times, and I buy good drives. My latest favorite is the Maxytor Diamondmax series. Fluid bearings, very quiet and very fast. Almost as reliable as a good Seagate, and cost a bit less.

What caught my eye though was that when I bought a drive in August 2002, the manufacture date was August 2002. I have a drive I ordered in 2005. The manufacture date (I just looked) was July first. Now folks, I took deliveery of this drive, at my front door on or about July seventh of that year. It wasn't a big thing, but later I did notice that it was not a week old. That fast, from Singapore.

OK, I am not an idiot. The fact that sometimes I get harddrive with the glue not even dry yet does not prove any conspiracy, I know that. But it does prove that this is the information age.

Listen up, the government is not the only one that wants to know every little intimate detail of your life. There are plenty of private companies that specialize in databases.

That's basically why I am not surprised by anything anymore.

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RE: Dodd's Filibuster Threat Stalls Wiretap Bill - 12/18/2007 10:41:22 AM

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I don't know what the big deal is for the govt to do surveilance.
I mean how long does it take for them to get a warrant?
A couple of hours?
If they have good cause to suspect a person or group of possible terrorist activities, then just go before a judge and get a warrant.
On the other end any potential terrorists should be assured that we are fully prepared to use nuclear weapons against their countrie's should they attack us.

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RE: Dodd's Filibuster Threat Stalls Wiretap Bill - 12/18/2007 1:42:49 PM

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I think it's the appropriate penalty for a company which so egregiously violated the terms of its' existence -- compliance with all applicable regulation and Law.

agreed

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