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ORIGINAL: greyarcher315

There is a solution to the illegals. Take away all the free stuff they get.
Had you taken the time to actually read the tripe that the OP posted you would have noticed that illegals do not get any free stuff.



Stop giving them welfare, medicare, medicaid, or any other type of aid beyond emergency medical aid(and i don't mean cancer, or any other long term life threatening condition).
What is your criteria for "long term life threatening condition"  Ten minutes,ten days,ten weeks,ten months....

Fine the living daylights out of the companies that use illegals, so that there is no benefit to the corps for hiring them.
As I have mentioned before the simple way to solve the problem is to raise the minimum wage to about fifteen bux an hour and an illegal alien could not get a job with a gun.  Next all the government has to do is enforce the RICO laws against the corporations and bingo no more illegal aliens.  I would not hold my breath waiting for either of these solutions to be implemented.


Finally, change the law so that just because your parents snuck across the border and had you here, you don't get automatic citizanship.
How about if your parents are in this country legally say on a work visa or a tourist visa and you are born,would you change that also?


For that, at least one of your parents would have to be American, either by birth or by LEGAL immigration. Do that, and they will leave on their own, with nothing to gain here. Of course, no one in office has the guts to do this.
Also, will you people stop trying to drag the war into every discussion about the faults of our government. its not the issue here.
Well it was a war of aggression and aggrandizement that caused them to be illegal aliens.

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ORIGINAL: greyarcher315
Thank you for proving why one can not have an intelligent debate around here. Some people can not stick to the OP subject.

But just to counter what you said,  even if the war never happened, it woould not change the wasted money going to support illegals. So, no, the war is not the issue, even when money is involved. 

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: greyarcher315

There is a solution to the illegals. Take away all the free stuff they get.
Had you taken the time to actually read the tripe that the OP posted you would have noticed that illegals do not get any free stuff.
Actually, yess, i did read it. while some of the stuff is questionable or outright junk, there is also some data that is very usable. Don't toss it all just becayse you don't agree with it.


Stop giving them welfare, medicare, medicaid, or any other type of aid beyond emergency medical aid(and i don't mean cancer, or any other long term life threatening condition).
What is your criteria for "long term life threatening condition"  Ten minutes,ten days,ten weeks,ten months....
Ok, let make this clearer. Emergency medical aid is for things like stitches, tetnus shots, broken bones. But just because you catch a cold or are depressed, or have some other medical condition does not mean you should be allowed to leach off our country's taxpayers(we have enough leaches in washington).


Fine the living daylights out of the companies that use illegals, so that there is no benefit to the corps for hiring them.
As I have mentioned before the simple way to solve the problem is to raise the minimum wage to about fifteen bux an hour and an illegal alien could not get a job with a gun.  Next all the government has to do is enforce the RICO laws against the corporations and bingo no more illegal aliens.  I would not hold my breath waiting for either of these solutions to be implemented.
Raising the minmum wage will not help stop illegals from getting jobs. These companies don't want to even pay the current minimum wage to employees, which is a big reason to hire illegals, who can be paid under the table for less. We need to make it so the disadvantages outwiegh the advantages. To do that you need to go after those companies and hit them where it hurts, the pocktbook.
       And i agree with you, there's a snowballs chance in hell that anything will get done.

Finally, change the law so that just because your parents snuck across the border and had you here, you don't get automatic citizanship.
How about if your parents are in this country legally say on a work visa or a tourist visa and you are born,would you change that also?
Just because you are here working or visiting legally does not mean your children that happen to be born while in the US should be citizans. There is a process to become a citizan of this country, and if you want that, follow the rules.



For that, at least one of your parents would have to be American, either by birth or by LEGAL immigration. Do that, and they will leave on their own, with nothing to gain here. Of course, no one in office has the guts to do this.
Also, will you people stop trying to drag the war into every discussion about the faults of our government. its not the issue here.
Well it was a war of aggression and aggrandizement that caused them to be illegal aliens.
   Ok, i think i need some clarification on this. What war did we fight that caused these people to decide to enter our country illegally? i missed it. And please don't tell me it was something that happened 100 years or so ago.

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ORIGINAL: greyarcher315
Second, to thompsonx.
I disagree with you on the effect of raising the minimum wage,
What part do you disagree with?

but at least you have some logic behind that arguement. However, as regards to the mexican american war, it seems absurd to me to claim that the reason we have illegals today is the fault of a war fought over 150 years ago.
Please do not mis characterize what I said.  What I said was that without an understanding of the past it is most difficult to understand the present or contemplate the future.

the world has changed a lot since then.
Aside from tidbits of technology just how has humankind changed in the past one hundred and fifty years?

These are not refugees,
Where have I characterized them as such?

these are law breakers
Would you please cite the law that they have broken?  Is it a felony?  Is it a misdemeanor? or simply an infraction?


who have decided that the best way to get what they want is to ignore our laws and take what all the stupid bleeding hearts in this country will give them.
They seem not to "take" so much as "accept" jobs that pay too little to attract the labor of citizens.  My suggestion was to make the pay of those jobs attractive to citizens.
You have not seen any post by me that favors illegal immigration.  What I have pointed out is that you and other "PC Bigots" are rather long on rhetoric and short on functional solutions.
Consider for a moment that we somehow round up every illegal alien in this country and deport them.  Then put up a 100 foot high wall around our country and reinforce it with a boarder patrolman every six feet.  This might conceivably keep the illegals out.  Now what happens to the jobs that they now hold.  The employers will now be forced to raise their pay scale to attract citizen workers.  This pay scale would approximate $15 per hour.  The taxpayer will have had to pay for the building of the wall and the hundreds of thousands of new boarder patrolmen.
Why is it that there are no illegal aliens working as chemist,programmers,surgeons,congressmen, or numerous other good paying jobs in our country?  The simple answer is that there are many citizens standing in line for those jobs.  The only jobs the illegals fill are the ones that pay too little to attract citizens.   So in the interest of saving the taxpayers a little money lets just raise the minimum wage and save the cost of building a wall and hiring a lot more cops.

It is not America's fault that Mexico's government is more corrupt and messed up than our own.
Having lived in this country for most of my life I am not convinced that Mexico has any seniority in the corruption department. 
                         Thats it. i am not going to continue to try to debate with people who are too willing to blame things on the wrong sources. i will go find a rock wall somewhere instead....
I too have little interest in debate.  I seek only discussion.  So far you are the one who has failed to produce any "sources" for this problem.  I have cited for you a scholarly reference concerning U.S. Mexico policy which has lead us directly to where we are today.
Should you wish to continue this discussion I would be willing to offer further references that will show the continuum from the first reference to the present day.
thompson