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RE: the fallout of hypnotism, and other mental forms of... - 12/15/2007 2:56:26 PM

Sinergy

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I used to hypnotize my friends in 4th grade.

Make them be unable to hear letters in sentences. Make them unable to see people in the group.

The effects were very short term.

I am not sure this makes me an expert. It is also not something I would do today.

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RE: the fallout of hypnotism, and other mental forms of... - 12/16/2007 9:03:01 PM

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Do you just assume the sub will be with you forever so it wont matter?
No.

how do you guard against permanant damage?
How to start...

On Permanence:
The only things that are mostly permanent are physiological changes. Any mental changes that are not physiological in nature(meaning so long as you don't have a lobotomy or something like that) can be realtered however one desires given there is someone competent in the methodologies and procedures of brainwashing, etc.

Also, I say "mostly permanent" to allow for a number of different possibilities: a miracle, a major scientific breakthrough in some applicable area, all people with the skill or ability and all of the storehouses of said knowledge to make the required change are destroyed in some otherwise irrevocable way, and finally anything that might not fall into one of those categories.

On Damage:
All is process. Process is processing. Do a recursive loop back to the beginning. If you went through a process that changed you then that same process should be able to change you again. This time it would probably be useful to install a change that you are the designer of.

On Guarding:
I think that the greater the risks the more one should either start at a reasonably safe change, or seek whatever education is available first to maximize safety while minimizing risks for the application of whatever level of change it is that you desire to stop at given some context and the level of consent between participants.

On Context:
Content - change.
Context - the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

I think that it's important to supply sufficient context for any content. Or in other words: In order for you to do or be (content), (context) must happen.

ex:     In order for you to use the appellation "Master", for an individual other than yourself, the person you're referring to must be accepted internally, by you, as your master without any coercion(if coercion is applied to gain acceptance: appellation given is internally meaningless).

If the context isn't specific enough the content can, and will be, acted out in contexts where the behavior may not be desired.
If the context is too specific the change won't be elicited in at least one desired context.
If the content isn't specific enough, is incorrectly specified, or is too specific you will probably have some undesired outcomes.

ex:
     In order for you to orgasm, you must be touched on the hand.
     In order for you to have an orgasm, you must be given permission by me, and only me.

And, finally..

On Consent:
To be completed in the future if necessary.

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RE: the fallout of hypnotism, and other mental forms of... - 12/17/2007 12:48:56 AM

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I don't see anything being discussed here as having anything remotely to do with hypnosis.

Well, I imagine it would qualify as "other mental forms of BDSM."

At least for those who dont lose focus and attention after encountering a comma.

Sinergy

I'll type slowly for your benifit... my point being that to equate hypnosis with brain washing or other mental forms of bdsm is quite a stretch.

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RE: the fallout of hypnotism, and other mental forms of... - 12/17/2007 6:45:18 AM

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my apologies for disturbing your sense of semantics, Estring. I had no idea what to call it. Kinda not really up to par on this sort of terminology.

Anyway. I thank you all for your input! both here and off the boards.

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RE: the fallout of hypnotism, and other mental forms of... - 12/17/2007 9:10:07 AM

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let me clarify some things regarding Hypnosis,the subconscious mind acts a a great sponge it absorbs every little thing,hypnosis in the context of BDSM can be helpfull or hurtful.it say i want a sub to be able to have a greater gag reflex then i am gonna post hypnotic for her to relax more those particular muscles,if i want her to be under orgasm control under certain,scenes or words than that will be the basis of my post hypnotics,i will always be watchful for crisis in hypnosis and watchful my suggestions dont impact negltively in other aspects of her life,i will also be careful how i word post hypnotics and i will make sure i have my thougts well laid out before i do a session of hypnosis,if i am an idiot and post that on a certain word or phrase her breasts swell and get hard so i can impress my buds then i am using the Hypnosis wrong!if i do so as part of are session to enhance out play thats is another thing,i knew a guy who was a hypnotist before i became one,thought it was a great party trick to shine a flashlight at his lady and she would always yawn becuse that was the post he gave her!now post hypnotics are useful but must be reenforced they only last in the subconscious mind about 24 hours unless reenforced by hypnosis or self hypnosis you can also do alot with waking suggestions sometimes that is a better aproach,especially in BDSM where trust is a major issue

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RE: the fallout of hypnotism, and other mental forms of... - 12/17/2007 4:35:16 PM

Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Estring

I'll type slowly for your benifit...

Thank you for that, Estring.

First off, the word is "benefit"

Secondly, I am not the one who made the thread title. So I would suggest you address your slow typing skills to the benefit of the original poster, and not to me, if you think you have anything relevant to add to the topic.

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