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farglebargle -> The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 7:34:03 AM)
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/info/everest.aspx “To put it in every-day terms, the tools needed to compromise an accurate vote count could be as simple as tampering with the paper audit trail connector or using a magnet and a personal digital assistant,” Brunner said. And in any AUDIT, if you cannot PROVE your numbers are correct and untampered-with, then you fail the audit. With tabulating votes, if you cannot PROVE your numbers are correct and untampered-with, then the vote was rigged. It would be foolish to assume otherwise WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO AUDIT AND VERIFY THE RESULTS. Tabulating Votes isn't like being tried in court. The Board of Elections and Machines are UNTRUSTWORTHY unless PROVEN OTHERWISE. Like I've said before, your vote is worthless. That's why no-one gives a sit about counting them correctly. Suckers.

Gardenista -> RE: The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 7:43:50 AM)
Yeah.. Trafficant, rigged votes, and our long list of bad Presidents. That's Ohio, all right! We should just stick to what we're good at... farming.

pahunkboy -> RE: The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 8:24:48 AM)
So Fb what IS the answer?

farglebargle -> RE: The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 8:38:01 AM)
If you value your vote, take election day off and stay at the polling place the rest of the day and WATCH THEM LIKE THIEVES. State laws probably vary, but do whatever is possible to ensure that your vote gets properly counted. Stick around for the counting. Make sure it's done right. Lynch any S.O.B. who tries to tamper with the election. Yes, I understand that it would require a commitment which most people would consider onerous, but given the VALUE of the Election, isn't it only prudent?

popeye1250 -> RE: The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 8:40:24 AM)
Fargle, the problem is that the people on the Democratic side don't want anything "exposed" either. If we were to negate all the votes of illegal aliens who vote for Democrats they'd be screwed.

Termyn8or -> RE: The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 8:45:25 AM)
Gardenista, I would like to hear how Trafficant rigged votes. This before electronic machines and being well out of favor of the powers that be. They had to investigate him for decades to get one measley conviction. T

pahunkboy -> RE: The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 8:47:36 AM)
I have moved since the last election. My previous area- I am sure they were up and up. Any funny stuff would have happened higer up; at Harrisburg. The election officials I knew in real life. These people have ties to the community and in fact I knew some from the Red Cross. This is but one poll station. I do see your point tho.

farglebargle -> RE: The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 8:51:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Fargle, the problem is that the people on the Democratic side don't want anything "exposed" either. If we were to negate all the votes of illegal aliens who vote for Democrats they'd be screwed. Only a complete fool would believe the votes cast, in any way, are reflected in the totals reported. IT'S ALL MADE UP. Bush won because IT WAS PLANNED THAT WAY. Gore lost in the Supreme Court because IT WAS PLANNED THAT WAY. You have to give the rubes the belief that they are participating, and a show to entertain them and reinforce that belief. Emma Goldman had it right -- If voting could change anything, it would be illegal.

pahunkboy -> RE: The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 8:53:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Fargle, the problem is that the people on the Democratic side don't want anything "exposed" either. If we were to negate all the votes of illegal aliens who vote for Democrats they'd be screwed. Only a complete fool would believe the votes cast, in any way, are reflected in the totals reported. IT'S ALL MADE UP. Bush won because IT WAS PLANNED THAT WAY. Gore lost in the Supreme Court because IT WAS PLANNED THAT WAY. You have to give the rubes the belief that they are participating, and a show to entertain them and reinforce that belief. Emma Goldman had it right -- If voting could change anything, it would be illegal. Someone hand me an aspirin

Level -> RE: The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 9:01:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Fargle, the problem is that the people on the Democratic side don't want anything "exposed" either. If we were to negate all the votes of illegal aliens who vote for Democrats they'd be screwed. Only a complete fool would believe the votes cast, in any way, are reflected in the totals reported. IT'S ALL MADE UP. Bush won because IT WAS PLANNED THAT WAY. Gore lost in the Supreme Court because IT WAS PLANNED THAT WAY. You have to give the rubes the belief that they are participating, and a show to entertain them and reinforce that belief. Emma Goldman had it right -- If voting could change anything, it would be illegal. Someone hand me an aspirin How about a tinfoil hat? [:D] Semi-kidding aside, it did look like some squirrely shit went on in Ohio, with those machines.

farglebargle -> RE: The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 9:01:45 AM)
For this shit, we need bourbon.

bipolarber -> RE: The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 9:06:09 AM)
The electronic voting machines? You mean the ones that are all manufactured, programmed, and operated by Republican businesses? THOSE voting machines? Even if it were proven that the GOP was stealing every single election (as they did the last two) the American public would be far too busy watching "American Idol" to care.

popeye1250 -> RE: The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 9:09:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber The electronic voting machines? You mean the ones that are all manufactured, programmed, and operated by Republican businesses? THOSE voting machines? Even if it were proven that the GOP was stealing every single election (as they did the last two) the American public would be far too busy watching "American Idol" to care. Bipolar, there's a lot of truth in that but every week in this country more and more people are starting to pay attention to our government.

farglebargle -> RE: The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 9:09:48 AM)
The DRE machines ( indeed, all the "new-fangled" voting machines ) are just the most current, and most egregious examples of a system which has been broken for a long-long time. Remember how Nixon won in '72 by a landslide? Yeah, right. Landslide. It's easy to arrange a landslide when you're spying on everyone and compiling enemy-lists. If people believed their American Idol votes were rigged, there'd be a revolution.

cyberdude611 -> RE: The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 11:33:38 AM)
And JFK got dead people to vote for him. You know the old saying, "If you aint cheating, you aint trying." Politicians have been playing with the votes for decades. Even back in the early 1800s there was all kinds of crap going on.

farglebargle -> RE: The Ohio Vote WAS* Rigged.* (12/15/2007 11:48:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 And JFK got dead people to vote for him. You know the old saying, "If you aint cheating, you aint trying." Politicians have been playing with the votes for decades. Even back in the early 1800s there was all kinds of crap going on. And before him, Al Smith. The point remains: The only Solution is Direct Participation by the Voters, to ensure that THEIR OWN VOTE is properly tabulated.

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