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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/15/2007 5:25:20 AM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		But at least he's not wishy washy on the idea that all fags will burn in hell.

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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/15/2007 1:26:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Last week I'd never heard about this group or this movement Christain Domestic Disipline. Somehow it has gotten allied in the public consciousness with Mike Huckabee. I find this fascinating. I'm not sure if he is really an advocate of CDD or if it is just a campaign issue connection dreampt up by his opponents.

It will be interesting to see how he spins this issue. He can't offend his fundamentalist Christian base by being too critical and he can't appear on mainstream media advocating what will be called wife beating.  Stay tuned folks.




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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/15/2007 2:02:27 PM   
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This thread will be moved but.......

Huckabee is exactly who I hope they nominate!  Keyword: THEY

He's about as kink friendly as David Duke likes black women


"Satan:  How will we make sure they keep Kenny alive so we can conquer Heaven?
Keith:  Do what we always do, use the Republicans."

The fact that Huckabee is emerging as the front-runner really says quite a bit about the Republican party.

King Stork, with all his corporate raping of the US economy and his phallocentric invasion of the womb of Civilization, doesnt seem all that popular to anybody now.  So the next approach is to use somebody who is strangely reminiscent of John Goodman's character in the movie "O Brother, Where Art Thou." 

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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/15/2007 2:19:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think that there is no candidate that would come out in favor of anything other than the Judeo-Christian Victorian ethos. And that suggests that women have no fun in their bedrooms (unless it's combing their hair), that couples be male and female (genetically) and married and all sexual congress performed exclusively for the purpose of procreation, multiplication and subduing the Earth.

And, quite frankly, when it comes to my bedroom, I have absolutely no interest in any government ever considering what does, may, might or could happen in that location. And that includes sleeping.

I appreciate the goals of the NCSF but I think that the existence of that well-meaning group is a sign that government in the US has chosen to invade privacy. I regret that there seems to be a need for organizations like that, as well as organizations determined to assure gay, lesbian and transgendered persons their rights. If you are human, you have inalienable rights IMHO. And that includes the privacy of your home and the nasty judgment of others.

These people in government who have an interest in transgressing on these rights of others certainly have deep psychological problems. And for them, I recommend a rubber room.

…which could be pretty kinky in itself, heh, heh…

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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/15/2007 2:37:50 PM   
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These people in government who have an interest in transgressing on these rights of others certainly have deep psychological problems.


That is all of them... every single one of them in both parties. 
 
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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/15/2007 2:41:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SensibleSam

Strangely enough Mike Huckabee the Republican candidate for President and a former Baptist preacher seems to be sympathetic to BDSM.

There is a movement call Christain Domestic Discipline (CDD) which believes among other things:
  • A woman should be submissive to her husband
  • A woman needs to spanked, paddled or caned regularly (maintenance spanking)
  • A woman needs to fear her husbands corrective punishments
  • A woman needs to be beaten at least until she crys for it to be worthwhile
  • All of this is God's plan for mankind


Huckabee seems to endorse at least some of this. He expects a wife to submit to her husband. With authority for that opinion is biblical.

Maybe he will soon issue an explanation or spin (e.g. "I was quoted out of context".)

In case you don't follow politics - Huckabee is emerging as the Republican frontrunner. His views draw attention.

What do you think?



I think this has no place for fem doms and male subs, that it is in no way supporting BDSM but a religious one twue way.

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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/15/2007 2:50:23 PM   
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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/15/2007 3:40:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rover, I'm not so sure that our elected leaders aren't so interested in BDSM, according to a friend of mine, Washington DC has more BDSM supply, and sex shops in general, than anywhere else in the nation, and second only to the red light district of Amsterdam.

Probably a gross overstatement, but at the very least, to them, it seems the city has more shops around than most... and someone has to be buying all that lube, handcuffs, chopsticks and dental floss...

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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/15/2007 5:10:39 PM   
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Rover, I'm not so sure that our elected leaders aren't so interested in BDSM, according to a friend of mine, Washington DC has more BDSM supply, and sex shops in general, than anywhere else in the nation, and second only to the red light district of Amsterdam.

Probably a gross overstatement, but at the very least, to them, it seems the city has more shops around than most... and someone has to be buying all that lube, handcuffs, chopsticks and dental floss...


I really dont care who is doing what to who.

The hypocrisy of them trying to make sure everybody else doesnt do what to whoever else is just too funny.

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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/16/2007 2:22:10 PM   
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So to those that want government out of our private lives, why would this matter to you? It is a private belief. If anyone thinks that he as president would "make" women submit to men is crazy. And to go from his belief in women submitting to the other beliefs that are listed is quite a stretch.


No, but he *could* help push through legislation that made fun things like this the law.

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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/16/2007 4:11:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SensibleSam

Strangely enough Mike Huckabee the Republican candidate for President and a former Baptist preacher seems to be sympathetic to BDSM.

There is a movement call Christain Domestic Discipline (CDD) which believes among other things:
  • A woman should be submissive to her husband
  • A woman needs to spanked, paddled or caned regularly (maintenance spanking)
  • A woman needs to fear her husbands corrective punishments
  • A woman needs to be beaten at least until she crys for it to be worthwhile
  • All of this is God's plan for mankind


Huckabee seems to endorse at least some of this. He expects a wife to submit to her husband. With authority for that opinion is biblical.

Maybe he will soon issue an explanation or spin (e.g. "I was quoted out of context".)

In case you don't follow politics - Huckabee is emerging as the Republican frontrunner. His views draw attention.

What do you think?

What he is quoting is not BDSM friendly. It unilaterally says that all women should submit. It's based on sexism stemming from religion. 

He'll have a hard time explaining away his views. He signed an advertisement from an association of Baptist ministers stating that women should submit. It's there in black and white and will not be easily pushed aside.

I think he's frightening.

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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/16/2007 4:18:52 PM   
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  • A woman should be submissive to her husband
  • A woman needs to spanked, paddled or caned regularly (maintenance spanking)
  • A woman needs to fear her husbands corrective punishments
  • A woman needs to be beaten at least until she crys for it to be worthwhile
  • All of this is God's plan for mankind
  • Men that are immature and unable to cultivate and maintain a humane relationship need to get a clue.



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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/16/2007 6:28:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately this is a real issue.  Some states have tried to pass anti-sodomy laws.  Texas is leading the movement, while California seems to be rejecting it.  Street fares and invasions of privacy are both becomming more prevalant.  It is a real possibility that our passions may become illegal.

Huckabee has not in any way endorsed BDSM, and neither side will.  What is important is who is more likely to respect our freedoms.  Neither side will, because freedom for us means less power for them.

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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/16/2007 7:57:37 PM   
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Unfortunately this is a real issue.  Some states have tried to pass anti-sodomy laws.  Texas is leading the movement, while California seems to be rejecting it.  Street fares and invasions of privacy are both becomming more prevalant.  It is a real possibility that our passions may become illegal.



Many states already have anti-sodomy laws on the books... (I was unaware that there is a trend to pass new ones.
interesting if that is true.

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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/16/2007 8:02:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think people like Huckabee are SMers that are in denial and are disgusted by themselves. Instead of embracing their kink, they have to justify their dark desires with this holy bible bullshit.

Huckabee wants to discipline a hot woman. He wants to spank her and be her leader. Instead of accepting this as deviant and sadistic, he goes and convinces himself that it is God's one true way. Anyone who thinks differently is the deviant one in his mind.

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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/16/2007 8:50:37 PM   
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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/17/2007 7:06:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, his views have been taken totally out of proportion...  He's not advocating BDSM nor is he advocating the submission of all women to men.  He's a Southern Baptist.  He believes in a strict interpretation of the Bible.  This is his -right- in the US, and I think it's a little sad that people ridicule him for it.  So he believes that a wife should lovingly submit to her husband...so he also believes that God literally created the world in six days...  So...what?

He's running for President.  None of this has anything to do with his ability to govern.  He's can't make laws, so he's not going to make it where women must kneel five times a day nor is he going to make people believe in his religion.  The most he supports, that I'm aware of, is the teaching of creationism as an alternative theory alongside evolution and the like.  Which isn't the craziest idea I've ever heard.  It's something I wouldn't object to, but that's neither here nor there.

His religion is his businesss.  He can speak about it and support it publically all he wants.  Thank goodness that he can.  Don't worry, we're in no danger of turning into a religious theocracy at his hands or anything.  I really don't care if my future President worships Cthulhu...that's his business.

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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/17/2007 8:02:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		greetings shawn,

i agree with you...except for the fact that he says religion is the basis for his claim to lead. that sounds a little bit too much like a monarchist saying god gave him the right to rule (which is also something we've heard from bush). if HE was capable of keeping his religion out of the presidency, it might not bother me so much. i believe many things from my religion that aren't "scientific" or "reasonable," but i'm capable of looking at things from other worldviews when i have to. i do not believe some of the current presidential candidates are capable in that, based on how much they view their candidacy as rooted in their religious beliefs.

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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/17/2007 8:18:59 PM   
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RE: Huckabee and BDSM - 12/17/2007 8:35:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think he's full of shit. Not ALL women are submissive, not ALL women will allow themselves to be spanked, Women should NEVER have to fear their husbands, ALL of this is bullcrap. This type of thing comes from people who do not know how, or want to learn how to interact with women. It is much easier to put down and forcibly control someone then it is to learn how to work with them as an equal.What they do want is walk on half of the human race just to make themselves feel superior.

This is not what BDSM is about at all. I have a malesub who is very happy in his submissive role because that is who he is and I am very happy in my Dominant role because that is who I am. BDSM is about choices, the choice to choose which path you want to walk and who you want to walk it with. What the Huckabee believes is forcing everyone into the same hole regardless of what shape peg they are. It didn't work in the past, it will not work now.

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