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RE: Protocol of the Mosh Pit - 12/12/2007 10:33:56 AM

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.seriously.

If someone believes that being in a moshpit does not take dedication or effort and that there isn't protocols - then they clearly have never taken the time to experience it even once. Which is cool. But without the experience, any comment is one that is vicarious and not really sound information.

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i was totally thinking the same thing LOL....the black eye that i got once in a mosh pit (from a random elbow in the eye), and the desire to keep moshing even still, that was dedication :)...and there are definite protocols in place....barbaric as it may appear, even punks and the like have rules/code that they follow.

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RE: Protocol of the Mosh Pit - 12/12/2007 10:46:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

.seriously.

If someone believes that being in a moshpit does not take dedication or effort and that there isn't protocols - then they clearly have never taken the time to experience it even once. Which is cool. But without the experience, any comment is one that is vicarious and not really sound information.

the.dark.

Now speak after me...Metaphor

You should look it up, seriously...

It was obviously a metaphor....BUT...that doesn't mean one (or two or more) of us can't jump in to remark on the integrity of the metaphor (for lack of a better way to put it)...(i'm totally not trying to pick on eyesopened at all)

As far as wiitwd.....and the stricter type relationships/activities etc.....vs. the seemingly more open, less strict players/participants....the part that the.dark. brought up may be a sound one....THERE CAN BE a TON of DEDICATION on either side of the dance floor.

The realtionship i am in is very very low protocol...low rules.....no safewords...yadda yadda.....But does that mean that there is less dedication? Less effort? Less energy?Lesser form of expression of M/s?...NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Sometimes it is more difficult (for me) to just submit...to do the right thing, to discipline myself to do what is pleasing....He lays all of that entirely on me....i can submit...or the relationship will crumble....i am not forced...there aren't a ton of rules to follow. Sometimes it is down right frightening because i don't have the boundaries that i crave and feel i need. (kind of like being in a mosh pit)

So to go back to the original analogy...ballroom dancing vs. moshing. Both things take alot of dedication, just in different ways...both take alot of energy...in different ways. Just like relationships in wiitwd....they are all different but there must be commitment, dedication, energy etc. across the board.

Edited to add: When i typed in all caps it was just to emphasize. i wasn't yelling.

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RE: Protocol of the Mosh Pit - 12/12/2007 10:58:30 AM

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I have survived a mosh pit a time or two in my career....Barely.

I prefer the analogy of comparing my women to bread....You got your typical white chicks that reming me of your local $0.99 a loaf of white bread sold a Jewel. It lacks all character and doesn't impart much flava on to anything...No nutritional value whatsoever. Extremely boring.

Then you get to your ryes, pumpernickels, wheats and potato breads etc....What does this have to do with bdsm or dancing? Nothing...Just trying to fit in here.

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RE: Protocol of the Mosh Pit - 12/12/2007 1:48:11 PM

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I enjoyed this question. It's like organization of Anarchy and Choas. The protocols and patterns of such that exist and evol.

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RE: Protocol of the Mosh Pit - 12/12/2007 2:19:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

.seriously.

If someone believes that being in a moshpit does not take dedication or effort and that there isn't protocols - then they clearly have never taken the time to experience it even once. Which is cool. But without the experience, any comment is one that is vicarious and not really sound information.

the.dark.

Clearly, if one experiences something they have the wisdom and knowledge of it first hand.   I totally see and agree with your point.  However, if one simply watches and observes what is going on, they might see patterns of things going on that those involved don't see or realize at the time.

Us human beings tend to be rather vicarious creatures, watching TV shows, reading books, exploring things in our own imaginations. Forming our own mental limits as to what and who were are without having truely experienced most of the things our minds gobble up.

However, life itself at times can be stranger than fiction. Sure one can live vicariously watching people in mosh pits or ball room dancing.   Will form fantasies and a certain conception of those things. However to experience those things itself, priceless. To listen to stories from those people that have experienced it, it's also priceless.

Being vicarious is not a bad thing, it's like anything else there's vicarious good and vicarious bad.  The thing is knowing if you are being vicarious or not.   People that talk like they have personally experienced something while never having done so, well that just vicarious bad.

If one with a vicarious mind, asks the question of what it's really like, and if what they imagine or precieve something as being correct or not. They are exploring the comparison of reality to their own imagination and preconceptions.

Ummm.. wonder how long before somebody comes out with a TV reality showed titled "Life in the Pit".. to cover what mosh pits are all about.

People should be aware of thier own tendancies towards being Vicarious as well as others.

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RE: Protocol of the Mosh Pit - 12/12/2007 6:22:19 PM

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It was interesting to see the various comments. It's obvious i was not able to express myself. i was in no way trying to say one form of expression to be better than another.

Ginger Rogers said something to the effect when it was suggested that the Lead had all the talent and did all the work... "I do everything HE does, only backwards and in high heels."

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RE: Protocol of the Mosh Pit - 12/12/2007 6:25:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

It was interesting to see the various comments. It's obvious i was not able to express myself. i was in no way trying to say one form of expression to be better than another.

Ginger Rogers said something to the effect when it was suggested that the Lead had all the talent and did all the work... "I do everything HE does, only backwards and in high heels."

Ginger Rogers is hardly your usual dancer. As I said, all it takes to make it look good is a good lead. Ginger Rogers paired with a good lead is exceptional.

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RE: Protocol of the Mosh Pit - 12/12/2007 6:27:36 PM

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I prefer a mosh pit. Ballroom dancing just seems cold to me. A pit happens because the power of the music and the band just takes control, causing you to slam...

but there are rules in the pit. Someone falls, pick theyre ass up! Some asshole decides to start punching people, kick the shit out of them. Yes, its primal, and brutal, but thats what a pit is. its instinct.

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RE: Protocol of the Mosh Pit - 12/12/2007 6:38:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

It was interesting to see the various comments. It's obvious i was not able to express myself. i was in no way trying to say one form of expression to be better than another.

Ginger Rogers said something to the effect when it was suggested that the Lead had all the talent and did all the work... "I do everything HE does, only backwards and in high heels."

Unfortunately I think the gist of this thread was lost, which is unfortunate, because you had something that you wanted to convey which I hope isn't lost in discussing the finer points of dance... I wanted to echo what you started out with...

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Some people (like me) prefer the ballroom dancing approach. Rules, protocol, actual steps, timing, practice with a dedicated partner. Other people prefer the high energy "do whatever works for you" approach. What concerns me a bit it the tendancy for people to promote the "no rules, do whatever" train of thought and at times even denegrate the more formal approach to wiitwd.

Was I mistaken that your point is that some of us that have few if any rules that you can discern maybe passing along the idea that this is the way that it "should" be to others that are new to the lifestyle? I thought what you were trying to convey is that the more formal sort of protocol is at odds with less formal protocol, and that you perhaps feel this influx of people that do what they feel like doing, instead of having a lot of rules somehow denigrates what you do because they advocate for what they do?

There will always be people that prefer structure and rules to the opposite. If you look at this concept culturally, there are those who are "traditional" and those who are not. I think that there will be a lot of people that want to do things in a way that is more structured... like teach submissive postures, corset training, formal ways of addressing each other... and then there are those of us that are not attracted to that way of life at all.

I usually think of it as a compatibility thing.. and I wonder why you feel that your way of doing things is denigrated because people prefer their own way?

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RE: Protocol of the Mosh Pit - 12/12/2007 8:00:31 PM

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Great post Eyes, really.

I don't have much to add except that I'm also ok with wearing grunge on the dancefloor and sequins and heels in the mosh pit (though practically that might not work so well).

I'm not sure how my wearing pink sequins at a bdsm event denigrates the serious protocol which others choose to operate, but if they give me that power I guess that's their choice. I'm there to have fun.

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