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missturbation -> Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 2:51:45 PM)
A while ago Sir and i were having a discussion and the topic of ownership came up. Not sure what we were discussing but basically i said that i sometimes feel owned by Sir. i am at present an unowned slave. He replied He was unsure why as He had never taken any ownership of me. i asked for time to go away and think about this and that i would get back to Him when i had found a way to explain it. i think part of me also needed to explore in my own mind what exactly i meant by this. It took another conversation we were having about a slaves rights to help me analyse my thoughts. Somehow renting and buying were used as euphenisms and it hit me. When you rent a tv for example, you expect to get the same service as when you buy one. You expect it to show all four channels (for those without sky lol), you expect the picture to be clear. In short you expect it to function just in the same way as if you had bought it. So therefore i for want of better words can only describe my feelings of being owned as being similar to the above references to a tv. Sir to a certain degree 'rents' me and therefore owns me for that time span and deserves the same service i would give if i was 'owned' for the time i am with Him. i call it 'renting - a temporary purchase' and it suits me just fine [:D] Guess i just wanted to throw this out there, see if anyone else had similar feelings, any comments etc.

breatheasone -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 3:13:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation A while ago Sir and i were having a discussion and the topic of ownership came up. Not sure what we were discussing but basically i said that i sometimes feel owned by Sir. i am at present an unowned slave. He replied He was unsure why as He had never taken any ownership of me. i asked for time to go away and think about this and that i would get back to Him when i had found a way to explain it. i think part of me also needed to explore in my own mind what exactly i meant by this. It took another conversation we were having about a slaves rights to help me analyse my thoughts. Somehow renting and buying were used as euphenisms and it hit me. When you rent a tv for example, you expect to get the same service as when you buy one. You expect it to show all four channels (for those without sky lol), you expect the picture to be clear. In short you expect it to function just in the same way as if you had bought it. So therefore i for want of better words can only describe my feelings of being owned as being similar to the above references to a tv. Sir to a certain degree 'rents' me and therefore owns me for that time span and deserves the same service i would give if i was 'owned' for the time i am with Him. i call it 'renting - a temporary purchase' and it suits me just fine [:D] Guess i just wanted to throw this out there, see if anyone else had similar feelings, any comments etc. I like your analogy. I personally see your point and agree with you.

childoftheshadow -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 3:15:31 PM)
I can see that, it makes a lot of sense. Very well put too

missturbation -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 3:17:53 PM)
Thank you breatheasone [:D] I like my own life, don't want to be owned per se, but sometimes i have to admit i long for it and i get it temporarily. I was thinking after i wrote this tonight that Sir and i havent seen each other for a few weeks. I dont know about you but i get this horrendous itch for Him after a while. He knows this and always manages to scratch it for me even when apart for long lengths of time like now. I am on a must masturbate for an hour without coming regime at present. Its hell, i tell you hell lol !! I love masturbating, hence my nick and i am finding it difficult. However it gives me that sense of being temporarily owned and scratches my itch all at once. I really am one lucky girl, i think [:D]

adoracat -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 3:18:55 PM)
that made perfect sense to me too. :) personally, i prefer ownership. it makes me feel safer for some reason. kitten

missturbation -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 3:19:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: childoftheshadow I can see that, it makes a lot of sense. Very well put too Thank you, i have my moments [:D]

missturbation -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 3:20:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: adoracat that made perfect sense to me too. :) personally, i prefer ownership. it makes me feel safer for some reason. kitten And it shows from your posts you are very happy in being owned [:D] I'm happy being rented, i would be stifled (at present) by being owned.

tricia -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 3:21:04 PM)
I agree with you in terms of servitude. I didn't serve the deliciously flawed, dominant man of my dreams any less or worse when he didn't own me. In my own relationship, the fact that he own me increases his responsibility for me. It also allows him to do things with me that he may not do if he didn't. Such as share me or lend me out. I'm not sure what makes a slave officially owned. Whether it's a collar. It's the declaration, "I own you" or "i'm owned." Perhaps it's enough to feel owned in your heart and that is what allows you to serve your Sir in the way that you do.

adoracat -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 3:22:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation quote: ORIGINAL: adoracat that made perfect sense to me too. :) personally, i prefer ownership. it makes me feel safer for some reason. kitten And it shows from your posts you are very happy in being owned [:D] I'm happy being rented, i would be stifled (at present) by being owned. i am VERY happy being owned by Daddy, yes indeed. at the same time, not everyone is me, and i can see where being rented has its own good points.[:D] kitten

missturbation -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 3:25:01 PM)
quote: In my own relationship, the fact that he own me increases his responsibility for me. It also allows him to do things with me that he may not do if he didn't. Such as share me or lend me out. Yes i can def see it increases responsibility. I don't think Sir and i refrain from any activity because He doesn't own m though. He shares me, has rented me out. quote: I'm not sure what makes a slave officially owned. Whether it's a collar. It's the declaration, "I own you" or "i'm owned." Perhaps it's enough to feel owned in your heart and that is what allows you to serve your Sir in the way that you do. I love this.

LittleWench -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 3:45:59 PM)
It's a nice analogy when you make the reference to an inanimate object, without feeling, mechanical. Can you rent another's pet and expect the same loyalty, devotion? If you lease a horse will it perform for you the same as if you bought it, dedicated yourself to it, invested in its training? Will you put as much effort into a leased horse, knowing that at the end of the contract it will be released. You might fix any health problems that present itself, but would you invest in a prevantitive, holistic health programme for the horse? An investment that will bear yeild after the "lease" has expired. I think that any one who leases property feels very different about that property than if they bought it.

missturbation -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 3:53:43 PM)
Ok lol so my analogy isn't perfect. quote: If you lease a horse will it perform for you the same as if you bought it, dedicated yourself to it, invested in its training? There is dedication and investment in my training. At the end of the day i'm not a horse or a tv, it was just a way to show the comparison between permanent ownership and temporary. quote: Will you put as much effort into a leased horse, knowing that at the end of the contract it will be released. I believe Sir and i do yes. quote: You might fix any health problems that present itself, but would you invest in a prevantitive, holistic health programme for the horse? Sorry? Not quite sure what you are asking here. quote: I think that any one who leases property feels very different about that property than if they bought it. Yes, quite probably. I love Sir but am not in love with Him. He does not love me. Would this work if He owned me? Yes i believe it would for us.

LittleWench -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 4:12:30 PM)
quote: quote: You might fix any health problems that present itself, but would you invest in a prevantitive, holistic health programme for the horse? Sorry? Not quite sure what you are asking here. Hi Miss, It was an analogy to show that if we own something we make long term investments in our property. To stick with the horse if we leased, we would take care of immediate health concerns as they arose, shodding, vaccinations, etc... but would we put in place a long term dental care plan for example. A health care option that is more prevantative than curative, that gives best results over the long term, and may bear fruit for the next Lessor rather than the current Lessor... does that make a little more sense? I understand when you say that you would feel stifled by being owned, I have felt that previously as well. I thought it was a good analogy, and it is only because I am referred to as "pet" rather than "property", but still am claimed as owned, that the train of thought leaped to mind and prompted me to post. [:)]

missturbation -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 4:20:57 PM)
Actually its funny you should mention long term dental care as i have a serious need for this. Sir is working with me on it, a mixture of being terrified of the dentist, severe toothache etc has prompted this. I think its quite amusing that the assumption is there (unsaid) that renting in this case means short term. Sir and i have no long term plans but tht doesnt mean we are short term either. We will probably see each other until such time as we can't, don't want to etc. Now that could be next week, next year, our death beds. Having a collar and being owned does not give any guarantees of length of relationship. We could outlast those with collars, who knows.

slaveluci -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 4:25:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LittleWench It's a nice analogy when you make the reference to an inanimate object, without feeling, mechanical. Can you rent another's pet and expect the same loyalty, devotion? If you lease a horse will it perform for you the same as if you bought it, dedicated yourself to it, invested in its training? Will you put as much effort into a leased horse, knowing that at the end of the contract it will be released. You might fix any health problems that present itself, but would you invest in a prevantitive, holistic health programme for the horse? An investment that will bear yeild after the "lease" has expired. I think that any one who leases property feels very different about that property than if they bought it. I really like how you explained this and I totally agree. For Master and I, me feeling "leased" or "rented" just wouldn't suffice. It would feel temporary and, as with any leased or rented property, major modifications wouldn't be allowed[;)]. I don't think AT ALL that being/feeling owned is better than other alternatives. Sounds like it's not what Missturbation wants at all at this point. It's what I needed and what Master desired and so that's how it's worked out for us. I concur that the feelings are different. That doesn't mean they're superior, though. Not for everyone. I think both ways have definite plusses.............luci

Tigrita -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 4:30:59 PM)
Interesting thread! Thought provoking. I am not a slave, and don't have desire to be owned in the sense of property. I feel very strongly that my submission comes from a place of freedom, but still, those words... Mine... and Owned... come up. Few things make me a puddle of submissive goo more than hearing him growl "Mine" in my ear or while piercing me with his eyes, or while he's forcing himself into me... And sometimes when he asks me while we're playing "how do you feel, cunt?", what comes to the tip of my tongue first is "Owned Sir". I've sort of tried to stop saying this because I'm sensitive about my freedom and not wanting to be thought of as a slave and as property (nothing against that mentality, it is just different than where I'm coming from in my submission). I've shifted it from 'owned' to 'conquered' because that describes the feeling too, but without a slavey connotation. But I can't deny that I do feel owned often, and not in a bad way, in a way that somehow doesn't interfere with my sense of being a free submissive. I will have to think about this more and how to describe it and rationalize it better, and I'm looking forward to following this thread to see what others think about this topic.

LittleWench -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 4:39:48 PM)
quote: I think its quite amusing that the assumption is there (unsaid) that renting in this case means short term. You're right, I am thinking short term, specifically in 4 year blocks... I was thinking of my laptop lease LOL I just had it replaced because it was faulty, the keys didn't strike propery and it kept overheating, so they sent me a little older model but it works so much better than the last. Here's hoping this one holds it together for the term of my lease!

LittleWench -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 4:46:47 PM)
quote: And sometimes when he asks me while we're playing "how do you feel, cunt?", what comes to the tip of my tongue first is "Owned Sir". I've sort of tried to stop saying this because I'm sensitive about my freedom and not wanting to be thought of as a slave and as property (nothing against that mentality, it is just different than where I'm coming from in my submission). I've shifted it from 'owned' to 'conquered' because that describes the feeling too, but without a slavey connotation. But I can't deny that I do feel owned often, and not in a bad way, in a way that somehow doesn't interfere with my sense of being a free submissive. I will have to think about this more and how to describe it and rationalize it better, and I'm looking forward to following this thread to see what others think about this topic. Hi Tigrita, When faced with your feelings, not wanting to be a slave, but still feeling owned... more importantly like I belonged... I asked to be referred to as "pet". For us this doesnt involve animal roleplay, I dont do puppy or kitty play per se, although some elements like being referred to as bitch, eating from a pet bowl at times get me hot... but as I see it this is how many other s-types are treated regardless of how they choose to identify and it is not specifically restricted to petplay. I have read a lot of posts on the boards from Masters who claim that with their slave they can do anything, and the slave has no right to object, no right to disobey, they can beat the slave mercilessly if they choose, am sure you have read them too. They justify it with analogies about cars or dogs, and when I thought about the dog and mistreatment, I thought would not the dog bite back? That's when I knew I was happier being treated as/thought of as a pet, rather than a slave. I get all the benefits of ownership, of shelter, protection, love etc. I am loyal, faithful, dependable, obedient, but I also have a set of teeth and I can piss in your shoes if you make me unhappy. [:D]

missturbation -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 4:48:08 PM)
quote: But I can't deny that I do feel owned often, and not in a bad way, in a way that somehow doesn't interfere with my sense of being a free submissive. I'm with you here. I like to feel owned at times, free at others.

slaveluci -> RE: Renting - owning! (12/8/2007 4:54:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LittleWench quote: I think its quite amusing that the assumption is there (unsaid) that renting in this case means short term. You're right, I am thinking short term, specifically in 4 year blocks... I was thinking of my laptop lease LOL I just had it replaced because it was faulty, the keys didn't strike propery and it kept overheating, so they sent me a little older model but it works so much better than the last. Here's hoping this one holds it together for the term of my lease! I would say that the reason renting seems to equate to short-term is that, in most cases, that's what is desired. Who looks forward to renting a home for the rest of their life? Most people have a dream of eventually owning something that is all theirs, that they can make into exactly what they want. Who looks forward to leasing a car rather than owning their own? I know the answer to these questions is "Some people do" and that's great. But, to me, it's not outrageous to see people equating renting/leasing with temporary or short-term as, for many folks when it involves physical property, that's all they expect/want a rental to be as they eventually desire ownership. Make any sense? Hope so[:)]..............luci

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