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Over the years, I've come to believe that society is built upon many "followers" with a few trendsetters, idols or leaders.
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I see society as different. I see society as being 90% people and 10% geniuses, nutters, headcases, psychos, visionaries, and truly outstanding people who don't conform to the rest of society. I speak here as one of the 10% being connected with theatre.. only some people can't work out whether I'm a genius, nutcase, or simply a freak, and on certain days I'm not too sure myself. Give me another 20 years.
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ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave
Many people don't take action, as long as they live in the comfort of their own security or misery.
I can safely assume here that you're not doing any of the following: working on the US-Mexican border, working in law enforcement, working with the homeless, in welfare, working in a hospital, or even taking a good look around you and seeing what's really going on..
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Many people have a sort of "I am what I am" mindset, verses "I will be what I will be" mindset.
What about the far more common 'I was what I was' mindset?
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I have yet to find any religion or belief system that does not lead down the path to what is in within ones own self.
I'm not too clear what you mean here, being honest.
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We each are our own worse enemy, and our own best friend.
Happy you see this and are aware of it. Some people aren't. Kudos to you.
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Many people mindlessly follow, adopt, submit, accept, and prescribe to what somebody else says, said, does or has done.
I disagree here. Some people don't have the strength or courage, some people don't have the circumstances, some people already have commitments such as families and they can't put the lives of people close to them in any sort of jeopardy. But on principle however I agree, modern society is controlled by the privileged few to whom, unfortunately we all (myself included) have to kowtow.
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Conditioned and brainwashed by society itself, afraid to break outside the norm, pissing themselves at the thoughts of going against the grain and dealing with peer pressure, taking responsibility, afraid of being looked down upon by others.
Yes I am aware of this that many of the younger generation aren't quite happy with their lot. I'm from a different older generation, I'm very glad I'm not in my early 20's now, I wouldn't have made it. I left school in 1982 at 16 in the North of England, things were much different.. every generation had something to deal with.. in the 1920's it was influenza, in the 1930's it was the Depression,. in the 1940's it was the Second World War, in the 1980's we had Margaret Thatcher... but the music was good.
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The people that break free of these barriers, become loved and hated noticed and make a difference in the world. They open themselves up to criticism, love, hate and everything else.
True.
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They are placed on pedestals with the risk of one day falling off it, of being ridiculed and scorned.
True.. but not in my case.. I don't see any pedestals, my SO/Domme hasn't told me that she's got one, I don't know whether anyone else has, but I probably won't be sitting or standing on it. However being tied to a pedestal.. now that's kinky.. has anyone ever been tied to a pedestal? Hmm, I might be tempted... especially if I'm one of the first or the first.. I've been ridiculed and scorned anyway, so it doesn't make a difference to me.
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These people are not embraced as Human beings in society, but treated more like idols and gods in the eyes of others. They must be perfect and flawless, showing no human fault.
I'm a TS female, I see where you're coming from, but nobody's ever treated me like a goddess or idol. I'm also not perfect, far from it.. but who says I must be? Or for that matter that anyone must be?
And anyway from what I've seen of society there's a lot of people who are more inclined to treat the overly sensitive male sexual organ - the penis - as some sort of god rather than other people. There's quite a few people I've come across who - if God actually appeared in the form of a penis - wouldn't be all that surprised or shocked. Probably wouldn't change their lifestyle either. -
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History has proven time and time again, the fall of many Dominant figures has been due to some natural human flaw or weakness.
Hmm. Now I see your point. Not being immortal is as you rightly assert weakness. I mean, we could at least be more bullet-proof, which would have saved John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, John Lennon. among many others, safer driving no doubt would have helped Princess Diana, Marc Bolan, and who knows? Maybe booking with a better airline might have saved people like Glenn Miller, Buddy Holly, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Glen Campbell, the 1958 Manchester United soccer team, etc. A better diet might have helped Elvis Presley, possibly Cass Elliot, not taking drink or drugs might have helped Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Marilyn Monroe, Lenny Bruce, Janis Joplin, Bob Marley, and so many others... I mean, let's just leave fate out of the question altogether.
But tell me, how come you have to be Dominant to become such a figure? Was Mother Theresa of Calcutta a Dominant? Martin Luther King? Gandhi? Nehru? Princess Diana?
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Above the norm of the mindless masses following somebody or something else besides what is within. They were not the followers, but those that were bold to do what they thought, felt or were inspired to do. They embraced who they were, and went against the grain.
Here I don't quite follow your logic. Are you saying here that people who aren't famous are mindless? If so I strongly disagree.. There's a lot of people in society who definitely are not mindless, and they're not followers either. It might seem that way when you see them driving to the office every morning or shopping for groceries in town every Saturday, but I'd say that most people are living their lives the way they really want to.
As for embracing who they were and going against the grain, I'm assuming you also have considered people such as Albert Fish? Adolf Hitler? Theodore Bundy? John Wayne Gacy? Harold Shipman? Peter Sutcliffe? Aileen Wuornos? Joseph Stalin? Pol Pot? Charles Manson? Timothy MacVeigh? David Koresh? Osama Bin Laden?
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There are many people turning to something or somebody in life, be it religion, or a bottle of booze, drugs, or whatever else. Looking for a quick fix, or easy way out. Seeking instant gratification or something that will make their lives easier.
Are you sure about this? Have you ever been homeless? Gone through a divorce? Been wrongly imprisoned? Been bereaved by a partner? Lost a child? Been the victim of domestic violence? Set up a business and seen it all fail and end up in the bankruptcy courts? You know there's a lot of people out there with really difficult lives, and some people are not as strong as others. Not everybody drinks or takes drugs for gratification, a 'quick fix' or 'an easy way out'. There's a lot of people who have to get off their faces just to escape, just to get through the day, and therefore just to stay alive until they find help and support and can find the strength to face up to their circumstances. An awful lot of these people are alone, isolated and frightened.
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Some people drink up GOD like they do a bottle of cheap booze, yet they miss the path and teachings. Some People drink up Wicca like cheap booze as well, some people drink up Buda like cheap booze. Then you have people that believe in nothing at all except them selves, perhaps they are the most sober ones, cause they have already found the path that religion points to. The mystery of what the indwelling of the spirit is. To find Nirvana, Heaven, Hell, God or the even the devil inside ones own self. Does your conscious bother you, how many personal demons are running around inside your soul?
Hmm. I speak for myself.. I follow the inner voice of my soul and the path it takes me through life.. I take people at face value and each day as it comes. Sometimes it seems as if several days all come at once and I'm overwhelmed. Is it the right path? I don't know.. I believe it is.. but I don't know.. I guess I'll find out when I die. Until then I'll just carry on living and learning.
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Yet people possessed by their own demons, proclaim they have found the way, and wage war and hatred towards other lost souls trying to find their way in life. The world is a bit like bar full of drunken people wanting to pick fights with one another.
An interesting perspective. I'd go one further and say the world is like living in one of the rougher neigbourhoods in one of the bigger cities. Sure, you got the drinkers and the junkies and the hoodies hanging round the blocks, and if you're looking for trouble you can easily find it. But you know, an awful lot of people live in these districts and they're happy, they don't get involved and they live their lives as best they can. Some actually overcome their circumstances and get to move out to bigger and better neighbourhoods.
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I’m not proclaiming everybody is drunk on his or her own religion; just that majority of people seem to be. There are some excellent religious leaders that truly know how to get a party started, while tossing out the teachings of their own religion. Yet these leaders remain and go unchallenged because many people are too fearful that supernatural force will strike them dead for going against the grain of the drunken religious party going on.
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A very valid point.
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Some people drink up Politics like cheap booze as well.
Another valid point.
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So, lets get drunk, whine, bitch and complain. Perhaps make a few jokes, fall down drunk and puke out our own angers and disappointments for a bit, sober up and go about living day to day life as if nothing happen. With the excuse of saying to oneself and others..."After all what can any one single human being do?"
Am I wrong to see the irony in these words?
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Amazing though what single human beings have done in the history of the human race. The impact one person can have on culture, religion or politics.
True. But is it really only one person? I cite Jimi Hendrix as a clear example here. Now anyone who picks up a guitar and learns to play it will try their hand at a Jimi Hendrix tune within the first few lessons, or at least want to. He brought about a revolution as to how people see the guitar. But would this have happened had it not been for Chas Chandler? The Beatles is another example. All the four members together were something special, and they all went on to have their own success, but nothing on the level as what they were doing in the late 1960's together as the Beatles. Jesus Christ needed disciples. Usually behind the success of one person there are other people.
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Anyways, I'm interested in hearing other peoples thoughts on this subject about D/s and Society. I guess in many regards, I'm speaking about True Uber Doms. The ones that are out in the fore front of society, leading the packs. How many Doms are actually the followers of other Doms or larger than life social groups ruled by other Doms.
Well I'm sorry to blow your theory right out of the water, but in many cases it isn't the 'True Uber Doms' who are leading society, you'll probably find just as many submissives out there too. Have you for example never heard of the Shadow Syndrome? The 'elite' is full of top businessmen, artists, religious leaders, actors, judges, lawyers and others who aren't Dom but who are actually male submissives. Quite a lot of good actresses and musicians and businesswomen are actually female submissives. Therefore I don't think there's much link between what role you play in D/s and your position in society.
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