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missturbation -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 7:45:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I do not think it is "ethical" (forgive the pun) to do what this person may doing. In academia you give credit to the people who have the ideas that you have borrowed. Proving they have done it is another matter, and not something that would be worth proving most likely


Lol @ the pun.
I agree whole heartedly and i really have no intentions or desire to prove what they are doing or not doing. I'm more interested in the whys and wherefores of living your life by advice in a book so closely.




ctrlaltdelete -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 7:49:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I do not think it is "ethical" (forgive the pun) to do what this person may doing. In academia you give credit to the people who have the ideas that you have borrowed.


I perfectly agree that in academic circles or most instances of print media, it is not only a matter of good style, ethics and credibility to cite your sources, but also a quite necessary legal defense. But this ain't Harvard and as they say, plagiarism is the most sincere form of reverence.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
But seriously - is it possible to live by the book?  Yes - but then I would call that someone taking anothers words, turning it into gospel and making it their religion.


This is just as it applies to the comments about Goreans. To many of them, Norman's books are gospel truth and they quote it at book, page and verse just as profusely as my grandmother would spew bible verses.

Personally, I cannot comprehend how someone can live by the letter of anything printed either (heck, I don't even follow cooking recipes, but only use them for creative inspiration). But for some people it works very well. May all those with counseling/psych backgrounds step forward now - but from observation in life, I often feel that people who do live by the letter have a tremendous need for security and safety.

Living by the letter of anything gives them an academic, religious, idelological, etc. foundation on which they can build their belief set and, consequently, their lives. I am far from calling them intellectual simpletons, as many of these folks are well educated and very intelligent, but it just seems to provide them with a saftey net with which they feel more comfortable navigating life.

Edited for shits and giggles and typos.




chellekitty -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 8:18:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

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]have you thought about sending the poster a CM mail and asking directly?

No. This thread was never meant to be about them per se but the concept of living by a book. Be it the bible, gor, ethical slut, diet book etc etc.



but in your initial post you did make it about them, so could you please just tell us who you are talking about, cause now i am dying to know....please...




missturbation -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 8:21:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

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]have you thought about sending the poster a CM mail and asking directly?

No. This thread was never meant to be about them per se but the concept of living by a book. Be it the bible, gor, ethical slut, diet book etc etc.



but in your initial post you did make it about them, so could you please just tell us who you are talking about, cause now i am dying to know....please...



It was never the intention to make it about them. For misleading i apologise. Im not going to reveal who i was referring to as it would be unethical. Besides as others have stated i may be wrong in my assumption.




ghitaPVH -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 8:25:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

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]have you thought about sending the poster a CM mail and asking directly?

No. This thread was never meant to be about them per se but the concept of living by a book. Be it the bible, gor, ethical slut, diet book etc etc.



but in your initial post you did make it about them, so could you please just tell us who you are talking about, cause now i am dying to know....please...



Im thinking about going out to buy the book this weekend cause shes got me all curious now too....damn people and their suspense....




chellekitty -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 8:42:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ghitaPVH

Im thinking about going out to buy the book this weekend cause shes got me all curious now too....damn people and their suspense....


i own the book, i've read the book...well its been a while....maybe i should dig it out of my book shelve...

btw...i've met the other half of the author team...in passing...but i have... Dossie Easton is an awesome lady, with so much history just in her head...would be an honor to sit down and have coffee or tea with her and just hear her talk....




dawntreader -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 8:48:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

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ORIGINAL: ghitaPVH

Im thinking about going out to buy the book this weekend cause shes got me all curious now too....damn people and their suspense....


i own the book, i've read the book...well its been a while....maybe i should dig it out of my book shelve...

btw...i've met the other half of the author team...in passing...but i have... Dossie Easton is an awesome lady, with so much history just in her head...would be an honor to sit down and have coffee or tea with her and just hear her talk....


Above i mentioned i have met Catherine and she was awesome. i have also talked to a Dominant that has met and spent time with Dossie. He said she was incredible[:)]
 
Watching Catherine do a demonstration on the "energy and relationship between Top and bottom" during a scene was so hot and spiritual at the same time!




AquaticSub -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 10:11:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I'm not trying to shoot anyone with this thread.
Being honest though i do have to wonder about people who religiously live by self help books, religious books etc etc. As i said before all power to them if it works for them but i can't help but question it.


*shrugs* What's there to question really? It's like the differences in d/s relationships - people are just choosing to live their lives based off different rules but the rules of each one mean something to the people involved. To me, it's a bit like questioning why Susie Sub decides to follow Donny Dominant instead of Donald Dom.




laurell3 -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 10:21:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I'm not trying to shoot anyone with this thread.
Being honest though i do have to wonder about people who religiously live by self help books, religious books etc etc. As i said before all power to them if it works for them but i can't help but question it.


*shrugs* What's there to question really? It's like the differences in d/s relationships - people are just choosing to live their lives based off different rules but the rules of each one mean something to the people involved. To me, it's a bit like questioning why Susie Sub decides to follow Donny Dominant instead of Donald Dom.


Yep I agree.  I've never read the book, is it good?




kittinSol -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 10:32:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

What about Gore. Dont they live by a book?


It looks as though a lot of gores live by the books; check out the other forum. They argue ad infinitum about it.

Living by any book is spooky. Bible bashers spring to mind as well... [:D]




Argentopal -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 10:35:32 AM)

Just a BTW:  Catherine Liszt is a pen name for Janet Hardy.  At one time she also wrote as Lady Green, but the pen names were when her ums were, well ... ums. If you enjoy Janet and or Dossie, watch for them when they speak or present together on the topic of Radical Ecstasy.  Both are good speakers and give interesting, informative and fun presentations and if you are ever fortunate enough to find yourself in an intimate setting with either of them , it could be a very enlightening experience in your life.

On the topic of the thread:
for myself I could not ever live by one manual or book or set of ideas only.  Life has too many variations.  I will add the caveat that honesty and not ever being a hypocrite are paramount in all of life's endevors to me. 




AquaticSub -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 10:45:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Yep I agree.  I've never read the book, is it good?


I've heard a lot of good things about it though I haven't read it yet. It's definately on my reading list though.




laurell3 -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 10:59:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Yep I agree.  I've never read the book, is it good?


I've heard a lot of good things about it though I haven't read it yet. It's definately on my reading list though.


hmmm...would it be wrong of me to put that on my xmas list that I'm giving my very prudish mother just for a reaction? 




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 11:20:29 AM)

I've met the authors, been to workshops and partied with them--they are teh awesome!  Also, they are super busy, so I doubt they are posting here. :)

As a former scholar, I really disapprove of uncredited scholarship.  There is a wide body of "common knowledge" that we all tap into, but paraphrasing someone's writing should be credited somehow, even if you've forgotten the author's name and say "I read this in xx".  It's just courtesy.




SirJohnMandevill -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 11:59:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Please guys, this thread isnt really about whether he / she is the author of the book or not. Its not even about the ethics of quoting others work as your own. Its about the concept of 'living by the book'.


My philosopy in both life and D/s is that doing things by the book is for people who don't know how to do them any other way.... 

Les (Purveyor of Fine, Handcrafted Kink)




slavegirljoy -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 12:52:00 PM)



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ORIGINAL: missturbation

 
i have to wonder why someone would choose to live to the letter by a book? Part of me says that if it works for them it's all good.

Similar to what Owner4SexSlave stated, how i live my life has been influenced by a lot of different factors, including my upbringing, my religion, my life experiences and, the people who have been important to me over the years.  The only book that i use as a guide and inspiration for how i live my life is the Bible.
 
i have never read a book about BDSM and have no interest in ever reading a book on BDSM.  For me, BDSM is a very personal experience and i choose to simply live it from my own raw emotion rather than be influenced by someone else's experience or perspective.  But, then again, i also don't read self-help books or books about sex or parenting or being happy.  i just go by what feels right to me and, so far, so good.
 
Edited to add:  Suddenly, i was reminded of the quote, "Those who can, do, those who can't teach...." by, Calvin Calverley.

slave joy
Owned property of Master David




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 2:24:20 PM)

Just because they quote parts doesn't mean they live EVERYthing. I can quote good stuff from the Bible that I try to live by, but I'm not even Christian.

As far as credit where credit is due...can't do anything about it, really. If it bothers you, call them on it sometime. But, also look within and figure out WHY that bothers you...and does it really matter what they do?

Master Fire




AquaticSub -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 2:39:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

hmmm...would it be wrong of me to put that on my xmas list that I'm giving my very prudish mother just for a reaction? 


Probably but the reaction might be worth it. [:D]




DarkDaddyZ -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 2:42:04 PM)

When I read "The Ethical Slut" back in 97 after it was recommended to me, I had several a-ha! moments much like many I know had after reading vi johnson's "To Love, To Obey and To Serve" it is just one of the books that help you discover and define who you are.

But it's not a bible, just a resource (much like the Bible is to me).

Z-




DarkDaddyZ -> RE: Living by the book !! (12/7/2007 2:43:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Argentopal

Just a BTW:  Catherine Liszt is a pen name for Janet Hardy.  At one time she also wrote as Lady Green, but the pen names were when her ums were, well ... ums. If you enjoy Janet and or Dossie, watch for them when they speak or present together on the topic of Radical Ecstasy.  Both are good speakers and give interesting, informative and fun presentations and if you are ever fortunate enough to find yourself in an intimate setting with either of them , it could be a very enlightening experience in your life.

Yep and Janet is still doing her thing here in the Bay Area! :)




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