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NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallets an... - 12/6/2007 8:47:27 PM

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/12/06/2007-12-06_nypd_says_operation_lucky_bag_stings_hav.html

Is this legal?

Is it right?

I don`t think so.

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/6/2007 8:52:27 PM

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I, personally, feel that thats one big fucked up sting. And whats more fucked is searching and checking people who were trying to just do a good deed and return the damn thing. For farks sake. There are people out in the world doing much worse acts, but these goofs are off playing games.

I give up.

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/6/2007 9:05:26 PM

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Hell,

Whatever happend to Finders Keepers Loosers Weapers?

Leaving a wallet on the sub way might as well be a donation to the poor. File the losses on your next Income Tax as a donation to charity.

Anyhow, in DFW, cops are using unlocked cars with keys in the ignition to catch people. The car has a GPS system and can be turned off and the doors lock with a remote in the officers car.

Either way, you can't be charged with a crime when picking up a wallet.

This situation will only cause people of NY to never pick up anyones wallet in fear of being frisked. Now, when some poor smoe looses his wallet, he'll never get it back. The wallet will never even make it to a lost a found.

On a side note, I'm 50/50 when it comes to good and bad. I've lossed my wallet twice so far. The first time, the foundee cashed my pay check and used my ID to detere getting a speeding ticket. The second time I lost my wallet, a nice couple tracked down my phone number and called me so I can pick it up.

So yes, there are good and bad in this world.

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/6/2007 9:53:23 PM

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Thank you, NYPD. No, thank you police departments across america. Not just protect and serve but trap and incarcerate. What do you think prostitution and drug stings are? They're entrapment.

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 12:55:10 AM

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quote:

He said straphangers are arrested if it's obvious they had no intention of returning the property - for instance, if they pocket the cash in the wallet.

For almost every person busted, there was a good Samaritan who actively tried to return the wallet to the undercover who dropped it moments before or to a nearby uniformed officer.

The above doesn't even come close to the legal threshold for entrapment, but I have a big problem with the stopping, frisking, and checking if someone didn't try to pocket the money.

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 12:56:21 AM

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The only good i can detect from this ridiculous story is that the crime rates must be way down in the city for them to waste time with this crap.

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 8:35:28 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: velvetears

The only good i can detect from this ridiculous story is that the crime rates must be way down in the city for them to waste time with this crap.

Yeah, but it's so much safer for the Patrolmen to keep themselves busy with people who aren't a danger to anyone, then pursue violent felons.

And of course, why they're not teaching people the PROPER RESPONSE to an unattended bag or parcel?

"IS THIS ANYONES?" ( No response from anyone -- Dial 911 and report the abandoned bag as a POTENTIAL explosive device )

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 8:42:11 AM

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LMAO! at fb- you sir get the post of the day award!

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 12:48:40 PM

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I dont get it...what right does the LEO have to detain and frisk people just for returning a wallet? Why do these people agree to such a thing? The article says people who immediatly return the wallet or turn it in to a nearby officer also get detained and their IDs run for warrents. What the hell.....

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 1:12:07 PM

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This nonsense will get out of control until we, the people, have no recourse to stop it. If ever there was a time to put an end to this authoritarian usurpation of powers, it is now!

People, we need to retake control of what goes on, but the only peaceful way we can do this is to educate ourselves on the politicians and their platforms, at all levels, grab a backbone for ourselves, and vote the people who allow this sort of thing to go on out. If we don't take responsibility for those we put into office, we are just as much to blame as those who pass these insane acts and carry out these insane actions.

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 1:19:13 PM

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no no no sappa...armed revolt! much more fun than education...stop by the house, Ive got an extra assault rifle and a vest Ill loan you!

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 1:23:41 PM

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Well, I was hoping that it wouldn't get that far, that's why I didn't mention it. But now that you have...

I know you get a certain twinkle in your eyes whenever they lay upon all that hardware... perhaps I should take some lessons from you. I fear it may come to that eventually.

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 1:26:54 PM

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So what happens if you just pick up the wallet and keep walking as though you never saw the cop? Or did not know that the undercover cop was a cop? Or are with your kiddos so that you are taking it to the lost and found as an example. What if a minor without a parent present picks up the wallet?

I am with ghita on this one. Armed revolt!

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 1:29:48 PM

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whoohooo! everyone gather at my house...I can personally arm about 50 people, but I think were gonna need more ammo...someone make a stop at walmart on the way over please.....

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 1:42:40 PM

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careful there kids, this is a public forum. I know you're joking. Everyone else may not.

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 1:52:00 PM

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Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers, must have gone out with To Protect & Serve.

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 2:03:45 PM

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That brings up a good point. If Bush protesters started wearing bulletproof vests and gas masks, it would become a numbers game again instead of a chemical warfare game. Perhaps someone will make it 'illegal' for anyone other than riot police to have such defensive gear?

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 2:13:54 PM

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I was wondering, after I already posted, but is there any actual LAW that says you have to return found property? Ethics and morals aside. Is there a law?

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 2:21:16 PM

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yeah, it's still taking of the property of another with the intent to deprive if they can prove the intent regardless of that fact it's found rather than actually stolen. (here at least).

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RE: NYPD entrapping people with "lost" wallet... - 12/7/2007 4:49:12 PM

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You're right. Entrapment requires that a law be broken; none of the hundreds of people arrested during Operation Lucky Bag engaged in any crime.

As the NY Times pointed out "In dismissing one case, a Brooklyn judge noted that the law gives people 10 days to turn in property they find, and suggested the city had enough real crime for the police to fight without any need to provide fresh temptations. The penal law also does not require that found items be turned over to a police officer. The Manhattan District Attorney’s Office began to dismiss Lucky Bag charges."

That's not to say that there were no criminals in the Operation. There were: the cops.

I'm a real law and order person here. I think the police brass who set up this thing should be fired. Their job and paycheck requires them to know the law they're enforcing. They don't.

Then several of the brass should be arrested, prosecuted, and sent to prison.

Crime isn't OK when engaged in by cops. Crime doesn't stop being crime when engaged in by cops.

I do, however, see a number of whiners who constantly make excuses for criminals ... when the criminals collect a paycheck at the expense of the taxpayer, have a badge, a gun, and want everybody to love them for their criminal behavior.

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