These are thoughts that are not to be disrespectful to niether Men or Women.
It Objectifies them in an equal capacity.
He is just a cock, and she is just a cunt.
In reality ? , Mutually compatible equals.
Feeding off each other.
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Much of the psychological dynamics of sex hangs on the idea of Objectification.
Put simply, the girl is a sex object.
So is the man.
She allows herself to be made an object of sexual use.
And by much you seem to mean all. But as others have pointed out, you've ignored a whole spectrum of human sexual dynamics. Several spectra, in fact. Gay and lesbian sex don't seem to exist in your theory, for instance.
It seems to me as though you are describing your personal phenomenology of sexual interaction and kind of grandiosly imagining that you are the template for the human race or something.
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She allows herself to be a sex toy, a fuck puppet.
In feminist ideology this is the greatest of all sins.
Since the first of the two sentences above represents your paradigm for feminine sexual interaction, it would follow from the second sentence that
in feminist ideology as you understand it, a woman allowing herself to have sex is the greatest of sins.
What feminist theorists have you been reading?
Even if you rehabilitate this claim to the point of plausibility you be left defending the idea that a woman allowing herself to be enjoyed as a sex object is comitting a greater sin than, say the sin that a bunch of gang-rapists are committing.
Who was that feminist you were interpretting again?
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In soft liberal conceptions of human relations it is a cardinal sin to treat another person as an object. People must always be treated as complex, integral beings.
"Soft liberal conceptions of human relations"
As opposed to hard conservative ones? What the heck does this mean? What theorist(s) are you representing here under this label?
Kant's Categorical Imperative, in one of its formulations, held that a person should never be treated primarily as an object. Is it Kantian Ethics that you are critiqueing here?
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But the reality of human sexual relations is usually not like this.
I want to give you credit for saying usually.
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Sex is a primitive thing and it curls up and dies if you tryto drag it into the morally terrified atmosphere of the Sensitive New Age Guy.
How very dramatic your imagery. You must be a very Sensitive Old Age Guy, or something.
So you've spoken to most of the Sensitve New Age Guys and most of their sexual partners and discovered that a great majority have unfulfilling sex lives?
What sex means to you, DefDom, and what it means to others can be expected to vary, just as preferences can be expected to vary. I think it is fine that forgetting your partner's name is a sort of ideal experience for you. Must you see it as deficient if someone else finds it genuinely important to be aware, even intensely, even reverently aware of the person with whom they are having great sex?
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Sex is animal.
Actually, plants also reproduce sexually.
If you're drawing a dichotomy between what is animal and what it human, and then trying to put human sexuality on the animal side, then the picture you are drawing is muddled, at best.
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Sex is biology.
You and some recent popes would get along great.
So sex is biology.
Like mitosis.
Human sex is equivalent to sex anywhere else that being reproduce sexually. The ideas we have about sex are then, what? irrelevant? If so then aren't your ideas, being about sex irrelevant too?
Should we burn all the books about the psychology of sex, since only biology books may rightly treat the subject? And your post which is clearly about the psychology of sex ... should we burn that too?
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If you stifle it with good intentions it is no longer sexy.
Can anything be objectively sexy, or unsexy, or no longer sexy?
Isn't "sexy" a psychological response which exists nowhere but in the individual human mind? How did you prepare yourself to declare for good and for all what remains sexy and what fails too?
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Which is why feminist do-gooding is ultra non-sexy.
I've never seen "feminist do-gooding" on a kink or fetish list so you might be right. But then again I've never seen that expression anywhere before. What is feminist do-gooding, please?
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Because their ideology violates the basic parameters of sexual nature.
"Their ideology" So after your broad and deep reading of feminist theorists from various cultures and generations you've concluded that there is a single feminist ideology?
Fascinating. What is this single, monolithic, universally accepted-ideology of feminism?
Or is it just that bit above about how a particular woman having sex is a greater sin than, say, an entire culture devaluing women generally; a worse sin than rape, chronic spousal abuse and gynophobic murder?
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Sex thrives on objectification.
mmhmm. Sometimes.
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Feminist ideology says a man should not look at a woman's breasts.
Can you cite the places in the feminist literature where boob-looking is prohibitted? None of the several feminists I've boinked seemed to have been familiar with that article of doctrine.
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That is to treat her as an object.
Big no-no.
Well, I think feminists and the rest of us can find consensus around the idea that gross oversimplification to the point of obscuring and even overturning the message is a no-no.
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But male sexuality is DRIVEN to look at breasts, damn it! That is why breasts stick out like fucken fog-lights and say LOOK AT US!
Here we are back on the planet of no gay men, no gay sexuality. And this from the guy who keeps talking about "reality". Your steadfast denial of the reality of gay sexuality fits a certain pattern well documented in the Psychology of Sex literature. I wonder if you're familiar with it.
And how long have you been getting wood for automotive accesory lighting, by the way? Interesting kink.
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Breasts ARE objects.
I think Buckminster Fuller and Lord Whitehead might each in their respective terms have averred that breasts are not objects but processes.
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Sure human beings are complex, rounded, right-endowed, free-willed and emotionally integral beings.
Yet this is not the relevant fact to human sex play.
"The" relevant fact. So there is one relevant fact to human sex play, in your theory. How interesting.
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In normal sex play? human being's objectify.
Okay. First you declared yourself arbiter of what's real, and defined human sexuality as necessarily heterosexual. Now you're under your statistician's hat, I guess, telling us what's "normal". Can you outline for us the statistical research which resulted in the "norm" you declare?
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If you prevent them from doing this, you kill their sexuality.
Kill it, huh?
Wow.
How dramatic.
So the first time you try to have sex without onjectification is the last time you ever try to have sex? Well then no one has ever had sex without obectification.
Your Holy Grail is not only safe but anassailable.
So dude, what's harshin' yer mellow?
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**Emotional relationships should be deep and meaningful, but the sex act doesn't have to be.**
I love it when you come back to Earth for a sentence or so.
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Sex can be/should be primitive.
The best sex is !
"Should" Is that a Moral should? Do you mean it is wrong otherwise? Or is it some other kind of mistake two people are making if they, in foolish disregard of your principles, happen to very much enjoy remembering one another's name during intercourse? If they they get so kinky and edgey and ab"normal" as to use sex as a means of expressing their love for one another, even?
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Sex can be on the "Me-cock, you-cunt" level. And in fact it will be the best sex ever when partners get down to this level.
I guess the gays and lesbians, if they existed, would have to really use their imaginations, huh?
DefDom, can you really not appreciate that people have such wide-ranging backgrounds that for many it will be just as you say, but for others it will be a bit different, and for others the tables will be turned entirely?
You really weren't the template for all of human sexuality. Honest. Thanks for sharing your preferences. I'm sure they are comman as dirt but I am equally sure they are not ubiquitous, despite your magnificent imaginings.
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It is unavoidable in any good sex.
In
any "good" sex.
So a woman who has been the victim of a brutal rape and has been avoiding, or failing at intimacy as a result finally finds a partner and a situation in which she can have sex again and have it be good, really good for her. Having been objectified utterly in her rape, used as an object and nothing but, and deeply injured physically and emotionally as a result, what will constitute for her a first experience of "good sex"? Lets see what Dr. DefDom prescribes for her first "good" sexual encounter:
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You might start off "making love"...
But in order to have the best orgasms?
Man, and Woman will be climaxing when they're fucking like animals.
Thrashing about to the point where you can hardly remember your own name, let alone the name of the person/object you're fucking.
Maybe. But I'm not sure.
I'm not as sure as you are that "any" good sex has to follow this single, rigorously defined,never to be varied, pattern.
Are you military? Ex-military? Orthodox? Kosher? C'mon, where'd you get this idea that one way (your way) is and must be the best and only "real" thing for everyone?
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Names and identities don't matter when the going gets hot.
When a man is really fucking his woman hard ?
He becomes all cock, and she becomes all cunt.
DefDom, for some people, when the going really gets hot they inhabit their personal identity more richly and fully than they do at any other time. For some people, they recognize and commune with the soul and spirit of their partner more when fucking than at any other time.
If you and your partners cease to care who you're with or what it means to them at these moments, that's super. Good for yous guys.
Some of use like to peer unblinkingly into our partners' eyes and souls in these moments. It is the connection, not the DISconnection, the recognition, the communion that
makes it the best sex of all. I'm real sorry there's no room for us in your theoretical model, but there is plenty of room for us in the "real" world.
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Nature now controls it, and it is impossible to prevent it with an uncontrolable desire taking over to the point of no return.
Is this where
the pirate rip's
the maiden's bodice or did I skip a page?
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Some types of normal sex play are inherently objectifying.
Cocksucking for example.
Like breasts, the cock sticks out from the body offering itself as a semi-attached object.
"Semi-attached?"
Now wait. Maybe you really are talking about some other world.
Semi-attached? I mean I'll freely admit to a preference for "no-dental contact" in such moments. I just never knew anyone went so far the other way.
Is that why they call it "getting off"?
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Men LOVE having their cock treated like an object to be worshipped.
And what the hell would this have to do with your thesis about people needing to treat one another, sumtotally, as objects? If a woman (or man, in the world
my newspapers tell about) is recognizing her partner's desire to have part of his body treated in a certain way, isn't this a wonderful example of the opposite of objectification? An example of taking a complex human being's desires into account and trying to offer fulfillment to that person?
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So try this sometime...
Tell the man you need "Cock", not 'His' cock, because to ask for 'His" cock is personalizing it.
You just need "Cock"
And that this might well excite someone proves your thesis that objectification is the soul of sex? I don't think so.
Can you wrap your Definitive head around the idea that someone else might get much hotter at: "I want
your cock, and
only your cock, no one else's can compare to your gargantuan, magical ... " (okay I stink as bad as you at breatheless dialog, but I hope my point is made.)
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Or present to him "THE Cunt" not 'Your' cunt.
For the same reasons.
"Steeek eet een za cunt, dahlink! For zsa same reasons!" I mean if humor get you off, this ought to cause an explosion of some sort, I'll grant you.
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Because He'll always want "The Cunt" when presented as such.
Please point him out to me some day, but by all means avoid actually introducing us.
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Do this and you'll surely be more wet and willing than you ever had been before...
And he'll surely be harder, for longer, recovering faster, for more than you ever imagined him able to be.
Yep. Say "the" instead of "my" and it will surely turn your sexual world upside down (and lubricate it generously besides. )
Fess up. Have you been reading your brother's Maxims or was it your sister's Cosmopolitans?
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Objectification is essential to great sex play.
"Essential" "Real" "Natural" "The Best", and "Normal" all rolled up in one gushy package. Oh my.
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The girl is an object for sex.
The man wants to play with that object.
His Fuck Toy !
Women know this no matter how much society expects them to supress it.
But this talk is all psychological. And as we learned several breathless exhortations up, there is nothing psychological about sex, it is purely biological. I'm confused. Has someone gotten so excited that the pages have begun to stick together here?
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Objectification is simplification.
The girl must be made into an object, not a complex, free-standing being.
Keeping it simple keeps it raw, keeping it raw makes it hot.
Yeah, no one has ever been excited by subtlety, nuance, complexity; the tension of innocence and desire, say, or the juxtaposition of formal clothing and refined manners with emerging feral scents and discrete, devilish touches. Anything like that would just RUIN sex, which must always only be simple and raw.
Complexities like foreplay, afterplay, and roleplay necessarily detract from sex. Complex distractions like, say, tieing someone up or torturing them should be abandoned in favor of the simplest, man on top, from behind mammalian coupling in every case.
Talking to one another (since animals never do it) must always cease before sex is allowed to begin and and not resume until after the consumation of the act.
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She is not fixed on the personality of the man. She is fixed upon his cock.
Have you ever actually shaken hands with a female who didn't have an air valve on her ankle?
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She makes herself into pure cunt seeking pure cock.
Man and Woman are cock and cunt. Objects.
For instance, in no case is he, say, "dominant". That would be impurity, and he is
pure cock. She of course can never be, say, submissive. This is just more distracting psychological twaddle to distract from the raw, biological, headless, heartless cock pounding incessantly on the goopy and completely unconscious cunt.
Ho hum. When does "Family Guy" start?
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Tell Me, Is this hot ?
"Hey baby. Let me stick my penis in your vagina so we can make love?"
I THINK NOT !
About as hot as "Stick it in THE cunt".
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Tell Me, Is this hot ?
"Please ! This 'Cunt' needs 'Cock' because This 'Cunt' wants 'Cock'."
This 'Cunt' wants 'Cock', because This 'Cunt' needs 'Cock'.
So fuck IT !"
Now really seriously this time ... You actually think that sounds
hot?
Misplaced apostrophe fetish or what?
The world is such a wonderfully diverse place.
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Repeat that to any man and you'll scare the shit out of him.
Is that what makes you hot DefDom? When the lady turns into a big faceless vagina that scares you?
Or is that the default condition?
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Repeat that to a Real Man?, and you're surely on your way to having the hottest sex a human is able to.
Is it fair, though, to expect your pink plastic partner to have to interact with a Real Man?
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& if you can't handle the word cunt ?
You're just a pussy,
And if you can't handle the word pussy are you a cunt?
And if you can't handle the word coochie are you a weewee?
And if you can't handle the word vulva are you only labia after all?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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...or just a prick, looking to be made love to.
Looking to be made love to.
How shameful.
How very shameful indeed.
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He will grow bored with that. & so will you.
"Thank you for calling Latoya's Psychic Love Line. What else can we predict for you?" quote:
The formula for 'making love'?, real love, is this.
That is, if you're you're one of those pathetic pussys or pricks who actually (Yuck! Ptooy!) wants to be
made love to.
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One fucking cock added to one cunt needing to be fucked equals sex you'll have to love each other for.
That is how to make love.
Pure and simple.
And remember, no using your hands or lips or breath or hair, no cuffs or gags; no words or caresses or slaps or imagination or heart or any of that bullshit wannabee stuff. Just ...
stick it in; pull it out;
stick it in; pull it out;
stick it in; pull it out;
and squirt
If you wanna be DefinitivelyDomlike
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Enjoy!
I did (was it good for you?)
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