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Lordandmaster -> conference records vs. AP Top 25 (2007) (12/2/2007 5:44:25 AM)

Last year, I calculated the records of each NCAA conference in out-of-conference games against the AP Top 25.  I think it's worth looking at that again for 2007, because one of the factors that will figure into the decision of who gets to play for the national championship will be the perceived strength of the various conferences.  For example, the fact that Auburn is the only ranked team with four losses says a lot about the perceived strength of the SEC.  And numbers usually offer a more accurate picture than impressions.  (The math: You calculate this by taking the conference's overall record vs. the AP Top 25 and removing the inverted conference records of the teams in that conference that are in the AP Top 25; what's left is the out-of-conference record vs. the Top 25 for that conference.)

ACC
overall vs. Top 25: 9-31
ACC in Top 25: Boston College (6-2), Clemson (5-3), Virginia Tech (7-1), Virginia (6-2)
out-of-conference record vs. Top 25: 1-7

Big 10
overall vs. Top 25: 6-20
Big 10 in Top 25: Ohio State (7-1), Illinois (6-2), Wisconsin (5-3)
out-of-conference record vs. Top 25: 0-2

Big 12
overall vs. Top 25: 9-27
Big 12 in Top 25: Kansas (7-1), Missouri (7-1), Oklahoma (6-2), Texas (5-3)
out-of-conference record vs. Top 25: 2-2

Big East
overall vs. Top 25: 8-16
Big East in Top 25: West Virginia (5-2), Cincinnati (4-3), South Florida (4-3)
out-of-conference record vs. Top 25: 0-3

Pac-10
overall vs. Top 25: 10-21
Pac-10 in Top 25: Arizona State (7-2), USC (7-2), Oregon (5-4)
out-of-conference record vs. Top 25: 2-2
 
SEC
overall vs. Top 25: 14-33
SEC in Top 25: LSU (6-2), Auburn (5-3), Georgia (6-2), Tennessee (6-2), Florida (5-3)
out-of-conference record vs. Top 25: 2-5
 
 
Conclusion:
As usual, the SEC is overrated and the Pac-10 is underrated.  (Tennessee losing to Cal was a big one right at the start of the season, especially since Cal turned out to be a pretty mediocre team.)  My own feeling is that the strongest conference this year is the Big 12.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: conference records vs. AP Top 25 (2007) (12/2/2007 8:59:49 AM)

I guess we're talking football?  Sorry I'm still an early learning since living in Austin requires the understanding of college football issues.

I've been complaining for weeks about Hawaii- undefeated and still can break in top 10!  They switched ahead of UT on a week when we didn't even play a freakin game and they kicked ass.



Level -> RE: conference records vs. AP Top 25 (2007) (12/2/2007 9:25:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I guess we're talking football?  Sorry I'm still an early learning since living in Austin requires the understanding of college football issues.

I've been complaining for weeks about Hawaii- undefeated and still can break in top 10!  They switched ahead of UT on a week when we didn't even play a freakin game and they kicked ass.


Definitely talking football. On Hawaii..... even though they're undefeated, they played a fairly weak schedule, and have no "history" behind them.
 
Now, if we had a playoff system, they could get the chance to prove themselves, on the field.... [:D]



marieToo -> RE: conference records vs. AP Top 25 (2007) (12/2/2007 11:55:54 AM)

*Yawn*



Lordandmaster -> RE: conference records vs. AP Top 25 (2007) (12/2/2007 12:56:51 PM)

All that work and the only response I get is "I guess we're talking football?"

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I guess we're talking football?



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: conference records vs. AP Top 25 (2007) (12/2/2007 7:08:36 PM)

Seriously, if you knew my history, you'd know just how impressive it is that I responded at all and could make that sort of a guess.



liks2plzlf -> RE: conference records vs. AP Top 25 (2007) (12/2/2007 7:29:47 PM)

I appreciate the information, being a college football fan. I always wonder if the SEC, is really that much better then the others. I probably should put "not being able to watch football', as hard limit.



Level -> RE: conference records vs. AP Top 25 (2007) (12/2/2007 7:31:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marieToo

*Yawn*


Knock that  yawning off! [:-]



marieToo -> RE: conference records vs. AP Top 25 (2007) (12/2/2007 8:00:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: marieToo

*Yawn*


Knock that  yawning off! [:-]


[sm=sleepy.gif]



LaMspeach -> RE: conference records vs. AP Top 25 (2007) (12/2/2007 9:12:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marieToo

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: marieToo

*Yawn*


Knock that  yawning off! [:-]


[sm=sleepy.gif]


She isn't yawning she is waiting for him to insert something into her mouth.



rubberpet -> RE: conference records vs. AP Top 25 (2007) (12/3/2007 5:34:37 AM)

I'm a huge LSU fan, but I will say the competition in the SEC is so balanced now.  In the past, Florida typically dominanted the SEC, but teams like LSU, Tennessee, Georgia, Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas, and even Kentucky have all caught up.  There really isn't a dominant team in the SEC anymore..anybody can beat anybody.  The Pac-10 was mainly USC and nobody else.  The Pac-10 turned out to be a really good conference this year with USC, Oregon (before Dixon's injury), and Arizona State.  The Big 12 is probably the best conference with Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas, and Kansas having outstanding years.  The Big Ten seems like a joke of a conference, though.  OSU and Michigan were the only dominant programs in recent years, but Illinois was a nice surprise this year.

I surely thought Oklahoma was going to the BCS title game against Ohio State, especially with the 21 point ass-whippin' they put on #1 Missouri.  Well, I guess we'll see Ohio State get beat by another SEC team for the national title this year.  I'm detecting a pattern here![:D]  Just kidding, two of the best defenses going against each other should make it a really good game.  I think LSU in a close one...27-23.



marieToo -> RE: conference records vs. AP Top 25 (2007) (12/3/2007 7:26:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaMspeach

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ORIGINAL: marieToo

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: marieToo

*Yawn*


Knock that  yawning off! [:-]


[sm=sleepy.gif]


She isn't yawning she is waiting for him to insert something into her mouth.


[sm=hewah.gif]  I'm not that kinda girl!  [sm=hewah.gif]



Estring -> RE: conference records vs. AP Top 25 (2007) (12/3/2007 7:57:03 PM)

Just think if USC hadn't inexplicably lost to Stanford, we would probably see USC and LSU playing for the title. That would be a much better game than Ohio State, but USC blew it.
Hell, Oklahoma vs. LSU would be a great game as well. I hope Ohio State is better than everyone thinks, but I am sensing another blowout.



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