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The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 8:46:58 AM   
LATEXBABY64


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Status: offline 		       If it could be said the dynamics of relationships come from points of view and concepts tried and failed. The one thing that remains constant is how people build a D's relationship. I Have read many threads hear about how people say submission is not a gift.
      I will tell you from this point of view you are totally wrong. Any one person  who loves you unconditionally with loyalty and admiration and honor is a gift. In this day and age the walls of discontent and anger and value seem to be a all time high. We become like used automobiles for the trading of new ones. So My question is to you How much do you respect what you have with a sub or slave.
or is it just two ships passing in the night

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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 8:50:33 AM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		Oh no, not another "gift" thread.

I see life and love as gifts... and I see his dominance as a gift. I am very fortunate that he bestowed his gift on to me.

I do not think he sees my submission as a gift really, but I do not need him to, this is really not a very important thing to me. We agree on the bigger things... like what safewords are used for, and that I have limits and so does he. If I was going to pick something that we did not see eye to eye on... this would be the thing


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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 8:51:12 AM   
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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 9:05:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

      If it could be said the dynamics of relationships come from points of view and concepts tried and failed. The one thing that remains constant is how people build a D's relationship. I Have read many threads hear about how people say submission is not a gift.
     I will tell you from this point of view you are totally wrong. Any one person  who loves you unconditionally with loyalty and admiration and honor is a gift. In this day and age the walls of discontent and anger and value seem to be a all time high. We become like used automobiles for the trading of new ones. So My question is to you How much do you respect what you have with a sub or slave.
or is it just two ships passing in the night

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Boy Latex...you are seriously having some issues lately. Maybe you should like...take some time off and regroup.

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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 9:06:40 AM   
toservez


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Status: offline 		The word gift is a definition game. Technically anything we cherish and hopefully not take for granted is a gift so therefore anyone’s significant other in any type of relationship is a gift. Then there is the people who claim their submission is a gift because they are giving something of values to someone. I personally never bought into this because every gift I have given to people for like birthdays generally did not come with strings and obligations attached.

People cherish or take for granted people. I do not remotely buy into the today’s world relationships are worse or cheapened. It is psych 101; I get in a bad one what is wrong with people today. If I am in a good one, look how special my partner and I are. If wanting to use the term a gift benefits a person more power to them. If they think somehow they are more special or think rare because their relationships is just so much better then everyone else’s then to me that comes into insecurity of building our relationship up by tearing others down.


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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 9:09:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a question for you Latex.  If you loved a dominant unconditionally, were loyal, admired and honoured them and that dominant refused your submission or allowed you to serve without recipricating(sp?) the love, or did not respect you - would you withdraw from their service?
 
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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 9:19:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do not expect unconditional LOVE from my submissives.  Loyalty, yes, absolutely.  Obedience, yes, absolutely.  I return, they are getting a big chunk of me, my attention, and all that other stuff.  If there are "gifts" involved, they are reciprocal ones.

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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 9:56:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Eh... there only person here wrong is you for thinking there is only one way of doing things. And I do view submission as a gift.

< Message edited by AquaticSub -- 11/30/2007 10:38:25 AM >

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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 10:11:55 AM   
charlotte12


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Eh... there only person here wrong is you for thinking there is only way of doing things. And I do view submission as a gift.


I don't view submission as a gift but i completely agree with AquaticSub. If i have learned nothing else from these boards it is that one should never be so foolish as to believe there is only one way to do things.

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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 10:25:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		My first goal is to build trust in all relationships. Common courtesy and respect for another human being is vital for any relationship to flourish.  To keep this very short, be careful who you fall in love with. (That goes for Me as well!)

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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 10:31:02 AM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		I don't know about the op, but in my relationship the total love and trust is a two way street. I don't get into relationships where I give and all he does is take.

But we both know how rare this has been in our lives and we pay attention to the needs of the relationship in order to maintain it.

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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 11:10:28 AM   
agirl


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Status: offline 		I just don't think in terms of gift at all.

It's something we both signed up for. I asked to be owned, that included submitting to his will. I knew that. He accepted *ownership, which included taking on the responsibility of *me*; He knew that. Where does gift come into it? Or unconditional love?

agirl 

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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 5:42:08 PM   
LATEXBABY64


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Status: offline 		That is  good question Dark  So I will answer with a yes and why Our life force depends on positive and negitive balance. Being and feeling positive about our selves come from inside and out our goals our ideas. It is like when you do work to hear the word thank you is golden. Some people can serve with out any kinda of receving of thanks or acknolodgement. But it does not last for long. everyone has a need to be full filled with positive engergy. If someone is just taking that all the time how long does that last

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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 5:44:59 PM   
LATEXBABY64


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Status: offline 		I think you put it best. But when we talk about gift. What we do how we do it for someone being unique is better term to that relationship might be a better way to look at it

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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 6:36:30 PM   
thetammyjo


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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

If it could be said the dynamics of relationships come from points of view and concepts tried and failed. The one thing that remains constant is how people build a D's relationship. I Have read many threads hear about how people say submission is not a gift.
I will tell you from this point of view you are totally wrong. Any one person who loves you unconditionally with loyalty and admiration and honor is a gift. In this day and age the walls of discontent and anger and value seem to be a all time high. We become like used automobiles for the trading of new ones. So My question is to you How much do you respect what you have with a sub or slave.
or is it just two ships passing in the night

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This is a timely post because this morning I sat with Fox and told him how much I appreciate him even if I don't say it all the time. He chuckled and said that if I told him any more with words and acts he'd hear/see nothing else from me.

However, I do not regard his submission to me as gift unless my domination of him is also a gift.

We entered into our dynamic because we each see something in the other that we desire and we each are willing to do the work to maintain the dynamic.

It isn't a gift, it's mutual effort.

< Message edited by thetammyjo -- 11/30/2007 6:57:50 PM >

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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 6:52:19 PM   
chiaThePet


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Status: offline 		An apropos subject during the season in which many re-gift.

Once a gift is given, is it not theirs to keep forever and a day?

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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 7:09:24 PM   
angelslave77


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Status: offline 		isn't this all just semantics, does it even matter as long as you are comfortable and happy within yourself and your relationship dynamic

And just for the record I dont consider my submission or my love a "gift" as such, I think Sir and I are just two souls who complement each other perfectly and are meant to be

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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 7:19:23 PM   
LATEXBABY64


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Status: offline 		Think of it this way. Everyday life with your partner. You cook clean, goto work, Pay Bills do as your asked never asking for anything. day after day afterday. let say you did not get to have sex any more. or did not get to have to do anything fun but just what the other person wanted. how would you feel Dark made a good point . in the fact i doubt many would stay the gift of giving back in forth it is a gift to each other I just took one side but it is really two people giving to each other

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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 7:34:26 PM   
Aceton


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Status: offline 		Uh, how can submission be a gift when you're just getting things you want? These boards are choc full of submissives yearning to submit to a master or mistress. They do it because they WANT to. So, sorry, I don't see submission as a freakin' gift. No more than taking a dump is a gift to the toilet you dump in. You do it because you need to, and it feels good. 

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RE: The Loving Submissive - 11/30/2007 8:43:08 PM   
LATEXBABY64


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Status: offline 		well then i guess you do not understand value. everything has a value. If you do not value  you something your right it is not a gift. Have you ever heard the term someone is gifted shrugs

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