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OrionTheWolf -> RE: Is this the end of free speech in America? (11/30/2007 11:14:35 AM)
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Well joanus, Free Speech is a founding principle of the United States, not Japan. What you speak of below, is the action being wrong. Once you try to control speech, you control thought, and that is not what the United States was founded on. The actions of what they did was unlawful, not the words they spoke. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
There is also a difference between Free Speech, and inciting to commit a criminal act, the law defines it.
You call it beating them over the head, and I call it slave morality, to just give in to someone's powers of speech and persuasion. You want others restricted, because someone is weaker? Fuck them, let them be removed from the gene pool. If they do not want to hear the speech, then leave. If it is occurring on private property, then have them removed from the property, if it is on public property, then a permit may likely be needed.
No one is being held captive to the words of free speech. You talk about trimming, but in fact what you propose is hacking at the roots.
I suggest reading about the founding principles of the United States, and constitutional law.
Orion
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ORIGINAL: joanus
Well Orion once someone takes those words and begeins to force them upon others as truth or fact is crossing the line. That is no longer Free Speach it becomes what we call terrorism. Let us use for example the above mentioned March on Home Depot.
Example: A Group of Militant People swarm into a HD and badger the Owner/Manager because there are a bunch of Mexicans standing out front. (all of which it turns out where Legal) In a store where people are shopping and business is being conducted they protest Illegal aliens and blame the Manager, who asks them to leave. They Protest saying it is the First Ammendment Right to say what ever they want. What they where doing was Disturbing the Peace which is a mistomener, hence they where breaking the law and useing the First Ammendment to do it. What they should have done was write their congressman to bring the problem to the governments attention instead of disrupting other peoples day for their opinions. In the middle of a crowded store is not the place to do it.
This sort of thing happens sereral times a day every freaking day. People use Free Speech to beat others over the head with mostly meaningless garbage. The real Point is that "Free Speech" (orignally Freedom of the Press) has gotten out of control. Look at the English Language since the founding of America; it has gotten ruder, (how many parents teach their kids manners any more) and Cruder.( we actually have words like Ain't in the Dictionary! Ain't is a contraction of the word isn't. A contraction of a contraction? WTF?)
We need to trim the preverbial hedge that our Constatusion has become.
A bonsai tree only becomes Beautiful after many trimmings and prunings.
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