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Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez says he has frozen his country's bilateral ties with neighbouring Colombia. The move follows the decision by Colombian President Alvaro Uribe to end Mr Chavez's role as a hostage negotiator with Colombia's Farc rebels. Mr Chavez said that the decision to end his mediation role was "a spit in the face" and denounced Mr Uribe as a liar. In response, Mr Uribe said Mr Chavez wants Colombia to "become the victim of the terrorist government of the Farc". "I declare before the world that I'm putting relations with Colombia in the freezer because I've completely lost confidence with everyone in the Colombian government," said Mr Chavez during a televised speech. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7112424.stm

kdsub -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 7:12:57 PM)
The man is a clown… a fool… and a danger to his people…I don’t think he is mentally stable. I only hope the people of Venezuela realize their mistake and are able to elect a responsible leader. Butch

Sanity -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 7:38:51 PM)
I'm starting to seriously wonder if Chavez is a meth addict, like Hitler was. The guy is all kinds of psycho... quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub The man is a clown… a fool… and a danger to his people…I don’t think he is mentally stable. I only hope the people of Venezuela realize their mistake and are able to elect a responsible leader. Butch

farglebargle -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 7:57:42 PM)
He's a psycho because he's breaking off relations with a hostile foreign power?

thompsonx -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 7:59:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub The man is a clown… a fool… and a danger to his people…I don’t think he is mentally stable. I only hope the people of Venezuela realize their mistake and are able to elect a responsible leader. Butch Butch: What specifically has he done that makes you think he is a clown, a fool, a danger to his people and mentally unstable? thompson

thompsonx -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 8:04:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I'm starting to seriously wonder if Chavez is a meth addict, like Hitler was. The guy is all kinds of psycho... quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub The man is a clown… a fool… and a danger to his people…I don’t think he is mentally stable. I only hope the people of Venezuela realize their mistake and are able to elect a responsible leader. Butch Sanity: Specifically, what has he done that makes you think he is a meth addict? Or is this just a little good natured character assassination? thompson

Sanity -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 8:37:31 PM)
He doesn't need me to assassinate his character, thompson. He's doing a fine job of it all by himself. Every day his buffoonery is much worse than the day before. And if you really need me to read the news to you, forget it - I don't do charity. Hire yourself a nanny.

kdsub -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 8:38:31 PM)
Hi thompson... to me it is obvious... he is the only head of state on this planet that makes President Bush look like a good politician. His fanatical arbitrary inflammatory statements are isolating his nation and dividing his own people. He does not even have the respect of his own allies let alone the powers of the world he must deal with like it or not. He and his statements have been in the news often enough lately if you have been paying attention. I am not going to list them attack them or defend them. I’ll just state my opinion and then let the people of Venezuela prove me right or wrong in December. Butch

thompsonx -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 8:52:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity He doesn't need me to assassinate his character, thompson. He's doing a fine job of it all by himself. Every day his buffoonery is much worse than the day before. And if you really need me to read the news to you, forget it - I don't do charity. Hire yourself a nanny. Sanity: So it would appear that you are unable to substantiate your opinion. thompson

thompsonx -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 8:57:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Hi thompson... to me it is obvious... he is the only head of state on this planet that makes President Bush look like a good politician. His fanatical arbitrary inflammatory statements are isolating his nation and dividing his own people. He does not even have the respect of his own allies let alone the powers of the world he must deal with like it or not. He and his statements have been in the news often enough lately if you have been paying attention. I am not going to list them attack them or defend them. I’ll just state my opinion and then let the people of Venezuela prove me right or wrong in December. Butch Butch: It would appear that you also are unable to substantiate your position. You accuse the man of all sorts of shortcomings but when pressed for details you come up short on facts. thompson

cyberdude611 -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 9:07:37 PM)
thompson..... the man is a dictator...

thompsonx -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 9:15:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 thompson..... the man is a dictator... cyberdude: The man was elected to the presidency. Ousted by a CIA sponsored coup. Returned to office by the people. Reelected by an overwhelming majority to a second term. thompson

cyberdude611 -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 9:26:21 PM)
Hitler was elected too.... The guy is trying to pass right now a referendum that will give government control of the media, end term limits so he can be president for life, and move the country towards socialism. Political dissidents and journalists are frequently jailed. And he has control over the legislature and has stacked the Supreme Court. The one and only reason you like the man is because he hates Bush and wont tow the US line. The world is growing tired of his antics. Peru hates him. Columbia now hates him. Brazil doesnt like him. We hate him. The king of Spain told Chavez to "shut up." The Saudis basically threw him under the bus at the OPEC meeting. The only friends Chavez can make is with Fidel Castro, Kim Jong Ill, and Amadinejad.

Real0ne -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 9:29:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 thompson..... the man is a dictator... Hmmm lot of faux going around now days! Sure do you have any clue what so ever why he is going in those directions? I you do I would like to hear them.

Real0ne -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 9:49:57 PM)
\ Want to listen to your kook? Inside Latin America Chavez's Venezuela... 20/20 Chavez Entrev Compl hispanosporlacausa.blogspot.com HUGO CHAVEZ by Greg Palast. Part 1 of 3 HUGO CHAVEZ by Greg Palast. Part 2 of 3 HUGO CHAVEZ by Greg Palast. Part 3 of 3

cyberdude611 -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 10:14:04 PM)
Like I have said on this topic many times before....Dictators need to feel important. They need an enemy. And to gain power in a democracy, they use the poor. They throw little gifts at the poor and uneducated in order to secure their votes. Dictators have been doing that for decades, that's nothing new. The Nazis perfected that process better than anyone. If you read about how the Nazis came to power they did so through propaganda and by providing socialized services at the poor. Chavez is throwing bread to the poor and spreading anti-western propaganda in order to support his Bolivarian movement. History has a tendancy to repeat. And I am seeing many historical correlations between how other dictators came to power and Chavez's movements and policies. I dont trust the guy and I don't blame the US government for not trusting him. The White House does not trust him. The State Dept does not trust him. The CIA does not trust him. And US congress does not trust him. He looks like he's going to become the next Fidel Castro.

farglebargle -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 11:06:48 PM)
"The White House does not trust him. " Are you suggesting it takes a tin-pot dictator to know one? Because every criticism hurled at Chavez, could apply to Bush. Remember the 300$ "Tax Credit" Bush handed out to the poor/middle class? What was that you said about "They throw little gifts at the poor and uneducated in order to secure their votes"? Just as an example of many.

thompsonx -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 11:14:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Hitler was elected too.... When you state that "Hitler was elected too" you clearly know little of Hitlers rise to power. If you were to actually read a little of German history you might come to understand how ill informed that statement is. It is true on the whole but not even in the same zip code with the whole truth. The guy is trying to pass right now a referendum that will give government control of the media, end term limits so he can be president for life, and move the country towards socialism. Political dissidents and journalists are frequently jailed. And he has control over the legislature and has stacked the Supreme Court. It is difficult to tell if you are talking about Chavez or Bush here. The one and only reason you like the man is because he hates Bush and wont tow the US line. That is not a fair characterization of my position at all. I am simply pointing out that he is the legally elected president of a sovereign nation. A sovereign nation that the U.S. has tried to overthrow. How would you react to a foreign nation trying to overthrow a legally elected president of the U.S,? Would you not hate someone who tried to kill you? Why should Venezuela or any other country have to tow the U.S. line? The world is growing tired of his antics. Peru hates him. Columbia now hates him. Brazil doesnt like him. We hate him. The king of Spain told Chavez to "shut up." The Saudis basically threw him under the bus at the OPEC meeting. The only friends Chavez can make is with Fidel Castro, Kim Jong Ill, and Amadinejad. This is nothing but pure hyperbole. There are some 170 nations in the world. You have listed four. Of those four there is a disagreement between Chavez and Uribe of Columbia concerning the "peace talks" with FARQ. Brazil is hardly his enemy and the King of Spain speaks only for himself and not for the country of Spain.

Real0ne -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 11:15:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 If you read about how the Nazis came to power they did so through propaganda and by providing socialized services at the poor. I dont trust the guy and I don't blame the US government for not trusting him. The White House does not trust him. The State Dept does not trust him. The CIA does not trust him. And US congress does not trust him. He looks like he's going to become the next Fidel Castro. Ah you mean like "universal health care"?

thompsonx -> RE: Chavez freezes ties with Columbia over hostages (11/25/2007 11:33:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Like I have said on this topic many times before....Dictators need to feel important. They need an enemy. And to gain power in a democracy, they use the poor. They throw little gifts at the poor and uneducated in order to secure their votes. Little gifts like public education. Why on earth would a dictator want his people to be literate? Little gifts like cheap fuel. Why on earth would a dictator want his people to be mobile. Little gifts like health care. Why on earth would a dictator want his people to be healthy....Read 15,000 Medical Doctors imported en mass to alleviate the health problems of his people. Dictators have been doing that for decades, that's nothing new. Do you mean dictators like the one Saudi Arabia? Do you mean dictators like the one in Pakistan? Do you mean dictators like the one Kuwait? Do you mean dictators like the one the U.S. installed in Iran? Do you mean dictators like the one the U.S. installed in Nicaragua? Do you mean dictators like the one the U.S. installed in Panama? Do you mean dictators like the one the U.S. installed in Cuba? The list is longer but I think you see where I am going with this. You only seem to be against dictators of one stripe and not all dictators. As long as the dictator is willing to ship the wealth of his or her country to the U.S. that seems to be OK with you but if the "dictator" wants to let the people of his or her country enjoy the benefits of that countries wealth then he is a "bad" dictator. The Nazis perfected that process better than anyone. If you read about how the Nazis came to power they did so through propaganda and by providing socialized services at the poor. Chavez is throwing bread to the poor and spreading anti-western propaganda in order to support his Bolivarian movement. Please do not confuse anti-western with anti bush&co. History has a tendancy to repeat. And I am seeing many historical correlations between how other dictators came to power and Chavez's movements and policies. I dont trust the guy and I don't blame the US government for not trusting him. The White House does not trust him. The State Dept does not trust him. The CIA does not trust him. And US congress does not trust him. He looks like he's going to become the next Fidel Castro. And Fidel Castro is bad because ????? What specifically is it that you disapprove of that either Chavez or Castro has done? Or is this going to be one of those "I hate,I hate,I hate but I don't have to tell you why?

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