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OrionTheWolf -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/23/2007 7:14:24 PM)

You said there was nothing quite like that in Gore's family, so I provided a few quotes and links, so you could look into it if you wished, because there are things like that in Gore's family. I agree that just because family is like that, does not mean you will be, but....... you also say business has been done a certain way since the beginning, and Gore is in business, so somewhere there is likely less than angelic things that he has done. Gore is part of the same politicial aristocracy that the Clinton's, and Bush's are. Al was raised a certain way to be the Prince, and he is trying to fulfill his destiny, as determined by his Father.

Orion


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

The crooked connections would likely be the business connections that Gore Sr. Had. I am not offering excuse, but does anyone know of large businesses that do not have some crooked dealings?
 
 


I would contend that all of corporate America and all of corporate Europe(and now corporate Asia) have been doing business this way since the beginning.

The leaders of petroleum producing country "A",gets bribes from oil company "B",and the locals get zero benefit and all the pollution.The leaders of industrial diamond and chromium producing country "A",gets a pass on human rights abuses and repression,from 1st world nations "A",B","and "C",because business and profit, trumps morality/fair play.

This is why the 3rd world hates us.It`s not our freedom they hate.It`s international business fucking them in the ass,that`s pissing them off.

As for Gore.
There`s no evidence that Al Gore have any malfeasance to explain or apologize for.He had no control over what his family did,only what he did.
This is tripe that the climate change deniers are repeating.
Gore have always been sincere about climate issues.He doesn`t need a pauper`s background, to speak about poverty,doesn`t need to be a carpenter, to speak about working class issues,and doesn`t need to divorce his family in order to speak about alternative energy/climate change/solutions.




Owner59 -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/23/2007 7:44:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

You said there was nothing quite like that in Gore's family, so I provided a few quotes and links, so you could look into it if you wished, because there are things like that in Gore's family. I agree that just because family is like that, does not mean you will be, but....... you also say business has been done a certain way since the beginning, and Gore is in business, so somewhere there is likely less than angelic things that he has done. Gore is part of the same politicial aristocracy that the Clinton's, and Bush's are. Al was raised a certain way to be the Prince, and he is trying to fulfill his destiny, as determined by his Father.

Orion


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

The crooked connections would likely be the business connections that Gore Sr. Had. I am not offering excuse, but does anyone know of large businesses that do not have some crooked dealings?
 
 


I would contend that all of corporate America and all of corporate Europe(and now corporate Asia) have been doing business this way since the beginning.

The leaders of petroleum producing country "A",gets bribes from oil company "B",and the locals get zero benefit and all the pollution.The leaders of industrial diamond and chromium producing country "A",gets a pass on human rights abuses and repression,from 1st world nations "A",B","and "C",because business and profit, trumps morality/fair play.

This is why the 3rd world hates us.It`s not our freedom they hate.It`s international business fucking them in the ass,that`s pissing them off.

As for Gore.
There`s no evidence that Al Gore have any malfeasance to explain or apologize for.He had no control over what his family did,only what he did.
This is tripe that the climate change deniers are repeating.
Gore have always been sincere about climate issues.He doesn`t need a pauper`s background, to speak about poverty,doesn`t need to be a carpenter, to speak about working class issues,and doesn`t need to divorce his family in order to speak about alternative energy/climate change/solutions.



Is Al involved in the oil business,in any way?Does he vote on a board, or hold a position like CFO or CEO?

If I`m not mistaken,it`s his family,(father,uncles,cousins,etc)who have, or had stock shares,but not a controlling interest.Al Gore doesn`t have a controlling interest either.

Again,I don`t see why Al Gore is smeared as someone from "dirty oil money".He`s had nothing to do with that.






OrionTheWolf -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/23/2007 8:20:07 PM)

Here is the original that I responded to. Notice the part in bold. I was responding DIRECTLY to that. You wanted the information, and now you got it. I understand that you do not like to admit when you are wrong, but you are borderline dishonest just dodging the information I gave you.

I never said anything about Al Gore other than he is involved in business, and probably has done less than angelic things. Do you need me to bullet point and footnote it for you, so you can follow along?


Orion


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Dont you understand that Al Gore's family fortune was made primarily from dirty oil money? His father was a big friend of one of the world's biggest oil tycoons.

Do some research on your own and you will find out that Gore's family was about as crooked as the Bush family.


Can you show a link or newspaper article showing this?


We know about Nazi money and Prescott Bush,we know about Chinese money and Bush Sr,and jr.I don`t think there is anything quite like that in Gore`s family.

Can you show that Gore`s family has anything like that in it`s history?






Owner59 -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/23/2007 8:34:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Here is the original that I responded to. Notice the part in bold. I was responding DIRECTLY to that. You wanted the information, and now you got it. I understand that you do not like to admit when you are wrong, but you are borderline dishonest just dodging the information I gave you.

I never said anything about Al Gore other than he is involved in business, and probably has done less than angelic things. Do you need me to bullet point and footnote it for you, so you can follow along?


Orion


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Dont you understand that Al Gore's family fortune was made primarily from dirty oil money? His father was a big friend of one of the world's biggest oil tycoons.

Do some research on your own and you will find out that Gore's family was about as crooked as the Bush family.


Can you show a link or newspaper article showing this?


We know about Nazi money and Prescott Bush,we know about Chinese money and Bush Sr,and jr.I don`t think there is anything quite like that in Gore`s family.

Can you show that Gore`s family has anything like that in it`s history?





You didn`t post crap.The Free Republic site is a kook site.I wouldn`t trust anything from them.

That`s ok,smear away.....




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/23/2007 9:24:03 PM)

Mr. Liberal Rush,

I posted from a few different sources. Some of the ones from below are from various sources as well, a few are from CNN, Wall Street Journal, NY Times, and just AP stories. I suppose it is all a conspiracy right?

Here is some more facts for you:

" For thousands of years, the Kitanemuk Indians made their home in the Elk Hills of central California. Come February 2001, the last of the 100 burial grounds, holy places and other archaeological sites of the Kitanemuks will be obliterated by the oil drilling of Occidental Petroleum Company. Oxy's plans will "destroy forever the evidence that we once existed on this land," according to Dee Dominguez, a Kitanemuk whose great grandfather was a signatory to the 1851 treaty that surrendered the Elk Hills.

Occidental's planned drilling of the Elk Hills doesn't only threaten the memory of the Kitanemuk. Environmentalists say a rare species of fox, lizard and the kangaroo rat would also be threatened by Oxy's plans. A lawsuit has been filed under the Endangered Species Act. But none of that has given pause to Occidental or the politician who helped engineer the sale of the drilling rights to the federally-owned Elk Hills. That politician is Al Gore."

"
Gore senior first met long-time Occidental CEO Armand Hammer at a cattle auction in the 1940s. When zinc ore was discovered on some of Gore's land, Hammer and Oxy bought it for twice the amount of the only other bid. Hammer then sold the land back to Gore while retaining the mineral rights. The elder Gore then sold the land to his son, Al Jr., who has received $20,000 yearly in mineral royalties from Occidental ever since. Two years after Gore Sr. was defeated in a bid for re-election to the Senate, he joined Occidental as a member of its board of directors and was rewarded with a $500,000 a year job working for an Oxy subsidiary. "

"
It doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest that Gore, an heir, has considerable interest in Occidental's success. And there is at least the appearance of conflict. Has there been a quid pro quo? "Most Americans don't know that Occidental tripled its domestic oil reserves overnight because of a historic reinventing-government decision announced by Vice President Gore," Lewis tells Insight. "Oil companies have been lusting after the Elk Hills land in California for 70 years, but it was not until Bill Clinton and Al Gore that it was opened up, with Occidental the high bidder."

"
Traditionally a Republican firm, Occidental was linked to the Democrats for many years primarily through Gore's father, Senator Al Gore Sr. The elder Gore was such a loyal political ally that Occidental's founder and longtime CEO, Armand Hammer, liked to say that he had Gore "in my back pocket." When Gore Sr. left the Senate in 1970, Hammer gave him a $500,000-a-year job at an Occidental subsidiary and a seat on the company's board of directors. At the time of his death in 1998, Gore the elder's estate included hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of Occidental stock. The Vice President is the executor of the estate, which still includes the stock and whose chief beneficiary is his mother. "

Now some quotes from a speach to Saudi's:

"The worst thing we can possibly do," Gore told the Arab audience, "is to cut off the channels of friendship and mutual understanding between Saudi Arabia and the United States."

" Despite an apparent conflict of interest that this column reported in 2000, the Clinton-Gore administration in 1997 allowed Occidental Petroleum to buy 47,000 acres of the U.S. Navy's Elk Hills strategic oil reserve near Bakersfield, Calif., for only $100 per acre. This purchase tripled Occidental's corporate oil reserve and boosted the value of its stock by about 10 percent – and Gore family shares by about $100,000. (Interestingly, Elk Hills was also involved in the Teapot Dome scandal, which erupted because Republican President Warren G. Harding's interior secretary in 1921 sold access to it to private oil interests.) "

" Still, the rivals do have one thing in common. As the sons of politicians, both grew up around money and power. They understand how these two things are intertwined--and have cashed in on that to make themselves wealthy. Indeed, Bush owes much of his business success to his impeccable connections: Family friends, prep school buddies and college fraternity brothers have all been key investors in his various business ventures. As for Gore, he's benefited richly from his father's financial savvy and was even his partner in a number of deals. "

"Once again, it seems, Al Gore--the man who never cared much about making money--will quietly profit from the trickle-down effect. "

Refute these facts!

Hell I have not even gone into the Iran connection with Gore and the Clintons.

Face it, democrats are often just as dirty as republicans. You just can't stand it when someone can actually prove you are wrong, and not being entirely honest.


Orion

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Here is the original that I responded to. Notice the part in bold. I was responding DIRECTLY to that. You wanted the information, and now you got it. I understand that you do not like to admit when you are wrong, but you are borderline dishonest just dodging the information I gave you.

I never said anything about Al Gore other than he is involved in business, and probably has done less than angelic things. Do you need me to bullet point and footnote it for you, so you can follow along?


Orion


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Dont you understand that Al Gore's family fortune was made primarily from dirty oil money? His father was a big friend of one of the world's biggest oil tycoons.

Do some research on your own and you will find out that Gore's family was about as crooked as the Bush family.


Can you show a link or newspaper article showing this?


We know about Nazi money and Prescott Bush,we know about Chinese money and Bush Sr,and jr.I don`t think there is anything quite like that in Gore`s family.

Can you show that Gore`s family has anything like that in it`s history?





You didn`t post crap.The Free Republic site is a kook site.I wouldn`t trust anything from them.

That`s ok,smear away.....


Trust? You just call it smear or lies when you don't agree with it, kind of like how you claim Rush does. How do we define hypocricy again?

Orion




Owner59 -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/23/2007 10:02:57 PM)

Ok.Three topics.

1.Bankruptcy protection

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24940-2005Mar10.html

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/042700-03.htm

2.Workers rights/union rights 

http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_viewpoints_final_overtime_regulations

3.Consumer protection

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00022

Notice all the "nays" with a "R" next it,and all "yeas" w/ a "D" next to it.


So who`s on the side of the middle class and blue collar people?

No matter how much people try to spin it,the Dems are for common folks, and the republicans are a wholly owned subsidiary of corporate America,always have,always will.




dcnovice -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/23/2007 10:04:44 PM)

quote:

Face it, democrats are often just as dirty as republicans.


Sad but true, alas.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/23/2007 10:44:03 PM)

I see you avoid it again. Your statement about Gore's family not being corrupt and such, was WRONG.

Now you want to say that Dems are not a party that caters to the rich? Do you really want me to plaster facts all over a response, and embarrass you again?

Orion




Estring -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/23/2007 11:02:36 PM)

What do you expect from people who actually believe John Edwards speaks for the common man?




Owner59 -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/23/2007 11:03:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

I see you avoid it again. Your statement about Gore's family not being corrupt and such, was WRONG.

Now you want to say that Dems are not a party that caters to the rich? Do you really want me to plaster facts all over a response, and embarrass you again?

Orion


I said Al Gore has nothing to do with that business and doesn`t need to divorce his family to speak for the common guy.

Nothing more.




Owner59 -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/23/2007 11:09:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring

What do you expect from people who actually believe John Edwards speaks for the common man?


He does.

You must be one of those "compassionate conservatives" [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m26.gif[/image]






Estring -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/23/2007 11:11:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring

What do you expect from people who actually believe John Edwards speaks for the common man?


He does.

You must be one of those "compassionate conservatives" [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m26.gif[/image]





You just proved my point.




Owner59 -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/23/2007 11:20:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Estring

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring

What do you expect from people who actually believe John Edwards speaks for the common man?


He does.

You must be one of those "compassionate conservatives" [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m26.gif[/image]





You just proved my point.


Guess you`ve been on vacation, or not watching TV.

But you`re in luck.He`s still in the debates and his message hasn`t changed.All you need to do is catch up.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/24/2007 12:16:56 AM)

Now there's a fallacy if I've ever seen one.  All the differences that bipolarber listed between Bush and Gore can't possibly be valid if Gore is rich too!

What kind of argument is that?

quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Dont you understand that Al Gore's family fortune was made primarily from dirty oil money? His father was a big friend of one of the world's biggest oil tycoons.




cyberdude611 -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/24/2007 5:52:42 AM)

Keep in mind also that John Kerry had 3 times more money than Bush and Cheney combined... Notice how all these higher ups in the Democratic party are filthy rich yet claim to support the worker. I mean look at Michael Moore. Did you know he has stock in Haliburton? Socialists and communists are all the same....sure they support the lower class. Sure they support the worker and the homeless man. But they also love to make money hook or by crook.

As for Gore himself.... in the mid-to-late 1990s, he helped negotiate for an oil pipeline through Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Turkey to bring oil to the Mediterranean Sea region.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/8-1-97/289933&EDATE=

http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/24_folder/24_articles/24_aioc.html (Second to last paragraph).

If Al Gore cared so much about the environment...why was he (and the Clinton administration) helping Chevron establish MAJOR oil deals in the former Soviet Republics? Believe what you want about Global Warming, but Mr. Gore is a fraud and a hypocrite.




Real0ne -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/24/2007 6:30:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611
If Al Gore cared so much about the environment...why was he (and the Clinton administration) helping Chevron establish MAJOR oil deals in the former Soviet Republics? Believe what you want about Global Warming, but Mr. Gore is a fraud and a hypocrite.


Fraud.  That can be said of well over 90% of all of our politicians in washington.

chevron that condi rices company.

If you dig into the oil companies they all have different names but are one huge conglomerate. (monopoly)









Alumbrado -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/24/2007 7:30:03 AM)

quote:

Do you really want me to plaster facts all over a response, and embarrass you again?


It is pretty clear that he is immune to facts.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/24/2007 9:00:08 AM)

You have a selective memory or you are just a dishonest person. Yes you said what I have quoted below, but you also said and asked:

"We know about Nazi money and Prescott Bush,we know about Chinese money and Bush Sr,and jr.I don`t think there is anything quite like that in Gore`s family.

Can you show that Gore`s family has anything like that in it`s history? "


So you are either wrong or lying again when you say "nothing more". Which is it, were you lying, forgot you wrote that, or just avoiding things that you were wrong about?


Orion

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

I see you avoid it again. Your statement about Gore's family not being corrupt and such, was WRONG.

Now you want to say that Dems are not a party that caters to the rich? Do you really want me to plaster facts all over a response, and embarrass you again?

Orion


I said Al Gore has nothing to do with that business and doesn`t need to divorce his family to speak for the common guy.

Nothing more.




popeye1250 -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/24/2007 9:06:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611
If Al Gore cared so much about the environment...why was he (and the Clinton administration) helping Chevron establish MAJOR oil deals in the former Soviet Republics? Believe what you want about Global Warming, but Mr. Gore is a fraud and a hypocrite.


Fraud.  That can be said of well over 90% of all of our politicians in washington.

chevron that condi rices company.

If you dig into the oil companies they all have different names but are one huge conglomerate. (monopoly)








Realone, you nailed that one.




Owner59 -> RE: Dems are now party of the rich (11/24/2007 7:41:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

You have a selective memory or you are just a dishonest person. Yes you said what I have quoted below, but you also said and asked:

"We know about Nazi money and Prescott Bush,we know about Chinese money and Bush Sr,and jr.I don`t think there is anything quite like that in Gore`s family.

Can you show that Gore`s family has anything like that in it`s history? "


So you are either wrong or lying again when you say "nothing more". Which is it, were you lying, forgot you wrote that, or just avoiding things that you were wrong about?


Orion

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

I see you avoid it again. Your statement about Gore's family not being corrupt and such, was WRONG.

Now you want to say that Dems are not a party that caters to the rich? Do you really want me to plaster facts all over a response, and embarrass you again?

Orion


I said Al Gore has nothing to do with that business and doesn`t need to divorce his family to speak for the common guy.

Nothing more.



Prescott helping the Nazis,Bush Sr., doing business with the Chinese,bush jr. taking money from the Saudis.

I said "anything like".The word like,must mean different things to us.
Gore`s family has done nothing ~like~ those things.

Gore`s family didn`t help the nazis,or take bribes from the Saudis(most of the 9/11 hijackers).

Free Republic.com is nothing more then "e-FoxNews".They are in the nut zone,with Rush and Bill-O,and so is World Net Daily.The stories are spin and right-wing opinion,not real facts.

Gore has no control over Oxidental or Columbia.And nothing to do with kidnappings ,or any other flaky charge or insinuation you presented.

Can you show something from a legitimate source?Other than  kooky anti-communist sites,or right-wing sites?

Here`s some links from your FreeRepublic web page.

Kind`a kooky,

John Birch Society -Al Gore's Red Connections

http://thenewamerican.com/tna/1997/vo13no07/vo13no07_gore.htm

Here`s a kooky one linking Gore to Soviet Communists.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38c8294130e0.htm

Yup.kooky.

It gets worse.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38ad108044a6.htm

I thought you claimed to be a middle roader.This crap is from the lunatic fringe.




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