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Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/20/2007 6:23:28 PM   
dragonslave77


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Status: offline 		This topic has been brought up before in various sections of the CM boards, the topic of how to cause pain without leaving marks. I'm bringing it up again for my own personal unique situation.

Before I go into my situation, I will state I am unquestionably a heavy masochist as well as a sub. Under normal circumstances, there is nothing I enjoy more than a hard flogging/whipping/beating that leaves lingering marks. To see and feel those marks days later, simply wonderful in my book.

The problem and situation is this: On December 5th, I will be having fairly major surgery on my shoulder. While my primary care medical person knows of my interests, I do not wish to disclose them to my orthopedic surgeon or anyone else related to my surgery. So, I can not have lingering, otherwise unexplainable marks on my upper body.

While certainly the lower half of my body is fair game, I am looking for the wisdom of everyone here for other ideas: other ways to inflict pain that leave no to minimal marks.

I find myself seriously wanting pain the my Mistress can deliver, as right now, that is discreet pain, pain that is pleasurable and controllable within myself, as opposed to the pain in my shoulder, which is just beyond my ability to control.

I am hoping that some of you wonderfully creative people here can assist me.

Thank you all in advance.
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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/20/2007 6:29:45 PM   
Larla


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pressure points

phenomenal pain - no pesky bruises - and all one has to do is run their hand over the point that was last - ahem - disciplined to recall the memory of said discipline

best of luck with your surgery

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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/20/2007 6:51:27 PM   
junecleaver


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Status: offline 		Try violet wands.  I've seen people brand others using violet wands, but it takes a lot of repetitive movement.  You get a very intense sensation without marks or blood.  To me it feels like being cut and burned at the same time.  YUM! 

Except they are expensive.   Maybe you should just refrain from play for awhile.

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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/20/2007 8:12:17 PM   
Muttling


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Status: offline 		Clothes pins can be fun.  Put them on for 5 or 10 minutes, take them off for a minute to let the blood flow return and put them right back on.  Popping them off with a riding crop is another good attention getter.

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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/20/2007 8:14:51 PM   
phedre81


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ORIGINAL: Muttling

Clothes pins can be fun.  Put them on for 5 or 10 minutes, take them off for a minute to let the blood flow return and put them right back on.  Popping them off with a riding crop is another good attention getter.


*cringes*  Or you could make those "zippers" with them--attach a whole bunch to a rope or something, then attach to the body, and pull them off in a zipper motion.

My thought here, though, is that if you're really sure your lower body won't be seen, why not limit your play to that, and go to town??  I'd be concerned about any play that could possibly damage your shoulder any more, also.

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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/20/2007 8:24:13 PM   
Muttling


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Status: offline 		Oh yeah.........What makes you think they will not see your lower body if you're having a fairly major orthopedic surgeory? 

I presume you will be put under general anesthesia.  That means you will have to be catheterized and they may not even allow you to wear underwear. (Loss of bowel control is common in surgery patients and it's easier for the nurses to handle the mess if you're not wearing underwear.)

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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/20/2007 10:29:11 PM   
sammy7626


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Status: offline 		Not to mention those lovely hospital gowns that leave absolutely nothing to the imagination and are mandatory uni of the day when going for surgery of any type.

I would say needle play, but then they'd just think you were a druggie with weird habits on your injection spots.

Perhaps try looking at a lack of heavy play as just one more aspect of your submission.  The torture of "I want but can't have" sort of thing?

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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/20/2007 11:11:01 PM   
subinsa71


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Status: offline 		Having undergone back fusion surgery this past June, i understand your desire not to have marks on you. Its kind of awkward trying to explain them to someone not in the lifestyle, they think you're being abused. For a while, you may have to avoid the heavy intense pain that leaves marks, as i did and for the most part still do, but rest assured, the abstinence makes the play all the more wonderful when you do have an intense, heavy session. 

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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/20/2007 11:21:08 PM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		Clover clamps for the nipples.
Clit clamps.
Wartonburg wheel
Suction (my experience with nipple suction hurt) - not sure how expensive the devices are
LARGE dildos and plugs
Tweezers + pubic hair = OW!
Prick the tongue and squeeze lemon on it
Clothes pins along the labia
Figging
TENS unit

Best wishes to you for the surgery :)

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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/21/2007 8:58:55 AM   
dragonslave77


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ORIGINAL: Muttling

Oh yeah.........What makes you think they will not see your lower body if you're having a fairly major orthopedic surgeory? 

I presume you will be put under general anesthesia.  That means you will have to be catheterized and they may not even allow you to wear underwear. (Loss of bowel control is common in surgery patients and it's easier for the nurses to handle the mess if you're not wearing underwear.)


Not all general anesthesia involves catheters and such anymore. I had a different procedure done under general, and specifically asked about catheters and such, and its not done any more, unless the surgery/procedure will somehow involve those body systems. Usually if its outpatient surgery, as this will possibly be (depends upon my level of pain after surgery as to if I'll be going home or staying overnight), there isn't any sort of catheterization involved.

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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/21/2007 2:08:04 PM   
chellekitty


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second's ownedgirlie's list....those activities will cause a nice amount of pain, generally won't leave marks, and if they do, they are on the genital areas, so if someone is staring at them they are doing something inappropriate, you're there for shoulder surgery....

i don't know if i am just that much more of a masochist? i know i don't bruise easily...but when i have had pressure point play done on me, i've had lovely bruises bloom on me 3 days later that lasted for 3 or 4 weeks....


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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/21/2007 3:01:27 PM   
kyraofMists


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Status: offline 		I also get bruises from pressure points and scratches from him digging his nails in.  I also tend to have marks from clothespins too.  Usually those are scratches from being ripped off.

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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/22/2007 2:11:13 AM   
dosomethingtome


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Status: offline 		is it possible to have a satisfying D/s relationship without inflicting pain? i have the same problem, i do it outside of my marriage and cannot bring marks home as much as i would like to do it.

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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/22/2007 7:46:57 AM   
Wildfleurs


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quote:

ORIGINAL: dragonslave77

This topic has been brought up before in various sections of the CM boards, the topic of how to cause pain without leaving marks. I'm bringing it up again for my own personal unique situation.

Before I go into my situation, I will state I am unquestionably a heavy masochist as well as a sub. Under normal circumstances, there is nothing I enjoy more than a hard flogging/whipping/beating that leaves lingering marks. To see and feel those marks days later, simply wonderful in my book.

The problem and situation is this: On December 5th, I will be having fairly major surgery on my shoulder. While my primary care medical person knows of my interests, I do not wish to disclose them to my orthopedic surgeon or anyone else related to my surgery. So, I can not have lingering, otherwise unexplainable marks on my upper body.

While certainly the lower half of my body is fair game, I am looking for the wisdom of everyone here for other ideas: other ways to inflict pain that leave no to minimal marks.

I find myself seriously wanting pain the my Mistress can deliver, as right now, that is discreet pain, pain that is pleasurable and controllable within myself, as opposed to the pain in my shoulder, which is just beyond my ability to control.

I am hoping that some of you wonderfully creative people here can assist me.

Thank you all in advance.


I'd suggest pressure points, which hurt like a bastard as well as clothespins on the toenail, tongue, and fingernails.  That'll hurt plenty.

C~


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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/22/2007 10:06:48 AM   
Siona


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Status: offline 		You won't be allowed to wear underwear during your surgery.
If it's a lengthy one, which it sounds like, you'll be catheterized.
Prepping is done before that, which means someone's face will be up close and personal!
If there are brusies, they will be noticed.
Also, when the procedure is finished, you'll have to be moved from the OR table to your "bed"..meaning..they'll have to turn you on your side to slip a roller ( rolling board) underneath you, lay you on it and roll you in order to get you from the table to the bed..therefore exposing your backside.

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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/22/2007 12:21:44 PM   
gardenfemale


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Status: offline 		You talked about being catheterized, and loss of bowel control.  For major surgery, people are catheterized to monitor intake and output.  Depending on what is being done (length of time etc.) he may or may not be catheterized.
 
As for loss of bowel control, new to me and I was a Nurse-Anethetist at one time and worked in the Recovery Room for surgical patients as well.
If people have abdominal surgery, and the bowel is manipulated, that plus the anaesthetic medications tend to slow down and stop the bowels.
Generally before eating food, the surgeon wants to make certain they are passing gas, so that it is known that the bowels are actually functioning again.

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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/22/2007 6:50:38 PM   
Maltor


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Status: offline 		I would agree about pressure points as being effective, but they will leave bruises if you bruise easily.

Why not try other forms of torture.... orgasm control, things like that.... ones that don't leave marks?

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RE: Pain w/o marks...different situation - 11/22/2007 8:13:21 PM   
TemptingNviceSub


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Status: offline 		As a PACU nurse in outpatient orthopaedics..outpatient shulder surgery is no catheterizations...and a bruise here nor there will tweek an eyebrow..maybe lacerations might but only in so far as fear of possible infection..however I would stay away from upper body bruising or play until after recovery is done..you will have enough bruising after surgery to contend with, and you need to have less healing as possible to deal with in that area...and yes owned girlie had some excellent suggestions..or you can simply abstain,and look forward to the future..Tempting

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