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missturbation -> Building up strokes - advice please. (11/19/2007 6:14:38 AM)

Soooooo i was at Sir's this week and to my delight He had one of His single tail whips out waiting for me - yummy! Mmmmm the sound of that crack before it connects with flesh, the stinging, burning searing pain. The throb as it calms and then the delicious marks / cuts left behind which cause discomfort for not nearly long enough everytime i press on them in any way. Sorry i digress [:D]

Anyway, after Sir had administered the two strokes i was to have we were talking and He commented that He would love to give me 20 - 30 strokes in one session with it. At first i was like omg i barely stood two lol, but then and after, the more i think! Well the more i would like to build the strokes up and see how far i can get.

A bit of background on myself and the single tail. As you see from my first paragraph i adore them, they are instant spaciness for me. However i feel instant nausea after even the first stroke and i have to say i do not like the pain they cause me at first. On the other hand i do lol. As the pain dulls a little i long to feel the intense first shot of pain again. Weird? I don't know.

So really just looking for a bit of advice. How do you go about building something like this up? Will the nausea possibly stop the more i experience the single tail? Will i maybe get to a point after a few strokes that the intense first pain stops being so intense? Will i maybe stop feeling them at all?

* Just to add i know the marks / cuts need to be well cared for and also myself [:D]
  




IrishMist -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/19/2007 6:54:47 AM)

I wish I could give some good advice based on experience for this. In the past for myself there was never a 'build up', it was always all out whether I could handle it or not.

You could see if just adding two or three more would help? Slowly increase the number that way and see how you respond each time. Maybe take time between each one to let the sensation wash over you so that you can find better ways to handle it?




missturbation -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/19/2007 7:18:00 AM)

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I wish I could give some good advice based on experience for this. In the past for myself there was never a 'build up', it was always all out whether I could handle it or not.

Part of me says this would be the best way to go about it. Just go for it and see what happens.
 
thank you x




IrishMist -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/19/2007 7:21:18 AM)

LOL well, look at it this way... You are being given a choice in the matter [:)] In some ways, that helps to prepare for it.




chellekitty -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/19/2007 7:23:02 AM)

my advice would be for him....go to national events and get tips from whip handlers that have hit their bottoms more than two times and had them begging for more...no offence, intended...but, if you are cut after 2 strokes...and you are a novice at recieving a single tail, which it sounds like you are (not a bad thing, it just is)...then he needs, either to check his ego, or to gain more skill....if he pulls back just 3 to 4 inches (maybe longer, depending on how deep and long the cuts are)...i bet you will be able to go a lot longer...

normally, after about 15 to 30 minutes of whipping, i can handle strokes that break the skin....there was one time, that i was a demo bottom for an advanced whipping class that was to show how you could cut the skin or not cut the skin...there was no warm up....i did this after 3 years of a lot of heavy whip play...and it was still hard as hell for me to take 10 cutting strokes or so with no warm up....and then he did wrapping to demonstrate that....but....like i said....it took me 3 years to build up to that....and that whip play was not just whip play...whip play was just a fraction of the play i did....

good luck
chelle




peppermint -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/19/2007 7:30:26 AM)

I've found that i can take more when the Top does a good job of reading and understanding my reactions.  There is a certain amount of time to pause before administering the next stroke and if the time is right i can take a great deal.  Too soon and i just can't mentally or physically handle it. 







charlotte12 -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/19/2007 9:12:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Soooooo i was at Sir's this week and to my delight He had one of His single tail whips out waiting for me - yummy! Mmmmm the sound of that crack before it connects with flesh, the stinging, burning searing pain. The throb as it calms and then the delicious marks / cuts left behind which cause discomfort for not nearly long enough everytime i press on them in any way. Sorry i digress [:D]

Anyway, after Sir had administered the two strokes i was to have we were talking and He commented that He would love to give me 20 - 30 strokes in one session with it. At first i was like omg i barely stood two lol, but then and after, the more i think! Well the more i would like to build the strokes up and see how far i can get.

A bit of background on myself and the single tail. As you see from my first paragraph i adore them, they are instant spaciness for me. However i feel instant nausea after even the first stroke and i have to say i do not like the pain they cause me at first. On the other hand i do lol. As the pain dulls a little i long to feel the intense first shot of pain again. Weird? I don't know.

So really just looking for a bit of advice. How do you go about building something like this up? Will the nausea possibly stop the more i experience the single tail? Will i maybe get to a point after a few strokes that the intense first pain stops being so intense? Will i maybe stop feeling them at all?

* Just to add i know the marks / cuts need to be well cared for and also myself [:D]
 


I don't have experience with a single tail whip so i hesitate to offer advice but i just wanted to say that how you described your relationship with the pain sounds just like me. When Master uses the belt on me i generally want it to stop after just a little while. But then as the pain starts to fade i long for it again and i beg for more. Weird? Maybe....but you're not the only one. [:D]

I can say that i have built up tolerance to certain kinds of pain and learned to take more than i originally can. But i'm sure you've experienced that with other things and knowing very little about whips i will digress. Let us know what you find out though. I would be very interested to hear how it goes if you start to take more.

charlotte (who has a love/hate relationship with pain)




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/19/2007 12:23:36 PM)

Well, if he knows that strokes can be varied so that they don't HAVE to open flesh, then he can vary them so you have time to relax and regroup between the 'big' ones. But, if he's intent on one stroke, there's little to do but endure what you can.

Master Fire




BoiJen -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/19/2007 12:50:37 PM)

Strokes can vary from how fast and "hard" they are...do you do any kind of "warm up?" Singelatils like a lot stingy toys hurt more after thuddy play that tenderizes skin...and of course after enough stimulation it lessens as the nerves essentially die. Neveres heal as do other parts of the body.

What kind of single tail does he use?

If he's using a snake whip say about 3 to 4 feet he's got plenty of "sensual" singletail options to use. Also he can lessen the strokes in between strikes...they're different.

A strike is the crack as it connects...the cutting the marks. He can choose NOT to crack the whip as it comes down in between strokes...throws...of the whip. Basically dragging the cracker across your skin without striking you and causing pain. It gives you a moment to recover. As with any toy given the right variation of "up" and "down" intensity the more one can go. It's different for everybody.

One other thing that feels VERY different from a crack is wrapping. if you're into being marked in other ways with the whip it's something he might look into trying. Wrapping I suggest should be done with a lighter whip as to not hurt the whip or you. And slwoly when pulling back as to not tangle anything or jerk you around...if that's his goal.

And that's just me.

You're welcome to shoot me a personal message if you have questions about the "sensual" singletail




daddyncherry -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/19/2007 3:42:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

quote:

I wish I could give some good advice based on experience for this. In the past for myself there was never a 'build up', it was always all out whether I could handle it or not.

Part of me says this would be the best way to go about it. Just go for it and see what happens.
 
thank you x


Hi missturbation!

Recently my Master put me through a scene with more single tail cracks than i can think of counting. Not sure how many, but alot of them.

What he did was, he began with the single tail...then did some hand spanking...then more single tail....then some crops or something....more single tail....knife play....single tail ... flogging.....more cropping and then more single tail(by now i was about crying). .

i'm sure i'm leaving some stuff out, but you get the idea. He would do single tail cracks and then do other less severe things (though it all felt severe that night)...there was no subspace for me and there was a ton of pain, but i think administered off and on like that was easier to take than if he'd just beat me with the single tail.

Best of luck,

cherry





LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/19/2007 8:53:36 PM)

The issue really isn't the number of strokes- but how much your body can process at what intensity.  I gave my partner probably 40-50 this weekend, but they never got much above "stingy like" and he had a few red marks which quickly fases.

You can beat the body in other ways- punches or paddles to prepare the surface of the skin to take more tension and to get your body flowing with the happy chemicals you want.  You can vary the type of strokes- 2 hard followed by three soft.  You can make it a game.  You can just suffer through it- you won't die from even 20 truly hard slashes.

The nausea is probably just adrenaline jolts and could be solved by going slower and definitely warming up with other things beforehand- but we still all have our threshhold and only experimentation will show where yours can bend and where it will break.




swtnsparkling -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/20/2007 1:14:44 AM)

 I love the single tail I have been topped and doubled single tailed-God how wonderful. But both started out with little flicks like a bee sting. Over time the whips became stronger but my body was able to adjust-and just flow peacefully with each strike. I had plenty of cuts  skin  cut open then fire play was done over the wounds then alcohol  applied   Oh yumyumyum!  God I miss that

I recommend slow easy build up and more over time. Let the body enjoy the new sensations - don't shock it whip/cut   whip/cut.




MsSaskia -> Breathing techniques (11/20/2007 6:40:55 AM)

Proper breathing can make a huge difference in your tolerance and stress levels during a scene.  I teach a biofeedback technique to everyone I play with and my own collared girl has been doing it long enough that she has orgasms during all sorts of play.  Even people who've been playing for years and have a very high tolerance have told me that it helps them get a lot more out of a scene.

The breathing technique is one of those things that works better the more you practice it, sort of like yoga.  I initially studied this for migraines and it works beautifully for that and all sorts of other things, most importantly play.

The basic steps:

Inhale through your nose to a very slow, steady count of 4. Visualize air filling your lungs from the bottom to the top the way you fill a water balloon from the bottom to the top. Do it nice and slowly so that the entire time you're counting up to 4, you're inhaling. At no point should you feel like you're holding your breath.

When you exhale, you'll be doing it to a slow count of 6. Your exhale will always be 2 counts longer than your inhale. Exhale through your mouth, as if you're playing a flute or whistling. As you're exhaling, visualize all the tension leaving your body with the exhale. Let the tension radiate outwards from the center.

At the end of your exhale, let your body rest a moment or two before you start the inhale through your nose again. Just count 1.... 2.... at the end of your exhale, and then inhale again. During this time, visualize all that tension (the stuff that you were radiating out on you exhale) reaching escape velocity. Picture it being far enough away from your body so that when you inhale again, you're not sucking it back in.

If you practice the breathing daily, you can do it when you're sitting or walking or watching TV or reading or whatever. Try it for 15-20 minutes at a time. Try not to practice it when you're going to sleep, or you'll condition yourself to fall asleep when you do the breathing. The more you practice it, the more useful it will be for you. If you get to a point where you've been practicing for a month or more and the 4/6 count isn't doing anything for you, bump it up to 5-inhale/7-exhale. Just keep the exhale two counts longer than the inhale. You can keep bumping up the count as needed and as it's comfortable for you.

During scenes, if your top has a good rhythm going, just concentrate on letting all the pain radiate through you on the exhale.  It's easy to tense up in the area of impact, but that just makes it harder for your body to let it go.  If it's easier to visualise the pain washing through you, or your center filling up with more light with every stroke, try that.  Your body holds less tension on the exhale, so paying attention to where your energy is going during that part of your breath is important.  If your top does not have a particular rhythm going and wants to help you ramp up to more or increase your tolerance, have him/her strike at the top of your exhale, which'll give you a chance to release everything through the six-count (or whatever) of your exhale.  They just have to watch your rib cage and shoulders to get the timing right. 

Of the hundreds of people I've taught this technique to, only one rejected it.  He said it took away too much of the pain and it wasn't intense enough.  I trusted him enough to let him make that choice.  Another person who hated it was the Mistress of a boy I played with.  The breathing increased his tolerance enough that she had to work much, much harder to take him where she wanted him to go and she just didn't have the stamina, so she started asking him tricky questions while she beat him to break up his deep breathing.

EDIT:  the breathing also helps while you're coming down from a scene.  It lessens bottom drop considerably because it lets your body adjust gradually from the high instead of there being a sudden shift.

Let me know if you have any questions re the breathing.




IceyOne -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/20/2007 6:54:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

The issue really isn't the number of strokes- but how much your body can process at what intensity.  I gave my partner probably 40-50 this weekend, but they never got much above "stingy like" and he had a few red marks which quickly fases.

You can beat the body in other ways- punches or paddles to prepare the surface of the skin to take more tension and to get your body flowing with the happy chemicals you want.  You can vary the type of strokes- 2 hard followed by three soft.  You can make it a game.  You can just suffer through it- you won't die from even 20 truly hard slashes.

The nausea is probably just adrenaline jolts and could be solved by going slower and definitely warming up with other things beforehand- but we still all have our threshhold and only experimentation will show where yours can bend and where it will break.

I would agree with this.




daddyncherry -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/20/2007 9:57:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

The issue really isn't the number of strokes- but how much your body can process at what intensity.  I gave my partner probably 40-50 this weekend, but they never got much above "stingy like" and he had a few red marks which quickly fases.

You can beat the body in other ways- punches or paddles to prepare the surface of the skin to take more tension and to get your body flowing with the happy chemicals you want.  You can vary the type of strokes- 2 hard followed by three soft.  You can make it a game.  You can just suffer through it- you won't die from even 20 truly hard slashes.



:( my Daddy doesn't do "soft"...the knife play is typically the soft part (except when he puts the tip into the pop marks left by the single tail), or maybe the horsehair flogger...the rest are hard.

Ms Saskia,

How would one do this method when each time the single tail lands all that is present in the mind is PAIN?! i can't think of anything else except the pain..nothing constructive at all. ...i never tense up during a scene only because i never know what's coming.





MsSaskia -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/20/2007 10:44:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddyncherry
Ms Saskia,

How would one do this method when each time the single tail lands all that is present in the mind is PAIN?! i can't think of anything else except the pain..nothing constructive at all. ...i never tense up during a scene only because i never know what's coming.


I never said it was easy, but if you practice it a lot outside of scenes, it'll be more useful to you in a scene because you'll have the mechanics down and it'll be nearly automatic.  The biggest challenge is to continue to do the breathing no matter what the distraction. 

If your top ramps you up slowly while you're doing the breathing, you'll handle the pain more easily.  Breathing can only do just so much, but it's a nice tool to have at your disposal. 

If you've ever had a migraine and know how intense that pain is, then think about how the breathing can help keep those from coming on fully, you can appreciate what else it might be able to do for you.





daddyncherry -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/20/2007 11:37:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsSaskia

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddyncherry
Ms Saskia,

How would one do this method when each time the single tail lands all that is present in the mind is PAIN?! i can't think of anything else except the pain..nothing constructive at all. ...i never tense up during a scene only because i never know what's coming.


I never said it was easy, but if you practice it a lot outside of scenes, it'll be more useful to you in a scene because you'll have the mechanics down and it'll be nearly automatic.  The biggest challenge is to continue to do the breathing no matter what the distraction. 

If your top ramps you up slowly while you're doing the breathing, you'll handle the pain more easily.  Breathing can only do just so much, but it's a nice tool to have at your disposal. 

If you've ever had a migraine and know how intense that pain is, then think about how the breathing can help keep those from coming on fully, you can appreciate what else it might be able to do for you.




Thank you :)

i dont ever see my Master/Daddy taking me up slowly...but on the migraine front this could be a really useful tool to have in my arsenal.

Thanks again




MsSaskia -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/20/2007 2:40:09 PM)

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Thank you :)

i dont ever see my Master/Daddy taking me up slowly...but on the migraine front this could be a really useful tool to have in my arsenal.

Thanks again
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If your Master/Daddy isn't willing to work with you on ways to increase your pain tolerance and it's all up to you to be able to take more or not, I don't know that there are any tricks to use all on your own.  Best of luck with that and with the migraines.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/20/2007 3:55:26 PM)

If he's just a sadist and wants to hurt, that that is what will happen.  That's what happened with all of my previous masters.  They loved to live true to the concept that "only masochists get warm ups" and I am not a masochist.

But if he wants to enjoy scenes as a NON sadist on occasion, then you can be trained to different responses and to accept different sensations.




missturbation -> RE: Building up strokes - advice please. (11/20/2007 4:41:21 PM)

Just wanted to say thank you to all who have replied.
I'm thinking on everything that has been said [:D]




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