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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 8:22:11 AM   
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Yes but nobody's seriously claimed it for several hundred years, especially not in Spain, where the monarchy was only restored in 1975 and the king is subservient to the constitution.



Shhhh, don't tell farglebargle - it's fun to hear him rant!

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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 8:24:44 AM   
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"American Presidents are vetted by primary voting, by the national media and then elected state by state Who's people vote for electors to the Electoral College. The person with the most Electorial votes (though not always the most popular votes) becomes President"

In THEORY...




The problem is the one with the most votes is usually the one with the most money and where did they get the money? Yep, you got it, they sold promises of favours.


My criticism is more, "It's so rigged and pre-determined it makes Pro-Wrasslin look honest by comparison, and the mechanics of it are only as legitimate and functional as necessary to forestall a revolution". Witness the way, in some locations, exit polls just didn't track the reported results... Of course, not in Nevada, where the Gaming Board is well aware how to keep things honest... In Nevada, exit polls were dead on... ( And everywhere else without the DRE electronic machines... )



I'm not an out and out monarchist but I look at Britain, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway and Sweden and then I look at the US and France where there are powerful political Presidents and I think, give me a constitutional monarchy any day. For me, it is for Republicans to show there is a better system than we have now and they don't.

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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 8:25:26 AM   
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Sanity wrote: Shhhh, don't tell farglebargle - it's fun to hear him rant!

I didn't tell him!  If he knows, it must be because you quoted my post in yours.  *nods vigorously*

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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 8:26:38 AM   
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My criticism is more, "It's so rigged and pre-determined it makes Pro-Wrasslin look honest by comparison, and the mechanics of it are only as legitimate and functional as necessary to forestall a revolution". Witness the way, in some locations, exit polls just didn't track the reported results... Of course, not in Nevada, where the Gaming Board is well aware how to keep things honest... In Nevada, exit polls were dead on... ( And everywhere else without the DRE electronic machines... )



You're just mad because you keep losing, AKA "Sour Grapes".

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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 9:10:07 AM   
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My criticism is more, "It's so rigged and pre-determined it makes Pro-Wrasslin look honest by comparison, and the mechanics of it are only as legitimate and functional as necessary to forestall a revolution". Witness the way, in some locations, exit polls just didn't track the reported results... Of course, not in Nevada, where the Gaming Board is well aware how to keep things honest... In Nevada, exit polls were dead on... ( And everywhere else without the DRE electronic machines... )


So who's it rigged for this election???

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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 10:56:49 AM   
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You're just mad because you keep losing, AKA "Sour Grapes".


Being a "Traditional Conservative", I lost when the Conservatives began sucking up to the RNC, and supporting the Neocon Party Whore Nutjobs. So my "loss" isn't tied to any election aside from the back office dealings among party elite.

So, since we're on the topic.

PROVE ( as in the sense of a financial account balance ) the results. Show all counts, recounts, and cross-tabulations verifying the results. CLEARLY EXPLAIN ANY VARIANCE *OR* INABILITY TO PRODUCE DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE.

Since you cannot, then answer this question:

"Why are the results of an election WORTH LESS than the balance of your checking account?"



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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 1:33:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just to shed a little light on Chavez's immoral tactics to manipulate the populace of Venezuela:

A few years ago the government conducted a voting in order to remove Chavez from presidency.  You either voted "si" or "no", it was as simple as that.  However, Chavez supporters confused everyone by saying that if you voted "no", that meant you didn't want Chavez as president, and "si" meant he should stay as president.  The truth was that you had to vote "si" to remove him.  Needless to say, the voting was rigged. 

And now Chavez is trying to change the law so that he can hold office till he dies.  Yeah, i'm glad i moved to the states when i could, it's so sad to see my country's morals and ethics go down by the hands of someone as snake-like as Chavez. 

i mean, for god sakes, the man talks about his grandmother and asks for arepas during meetings with important leaders.

good for King, but i would have said something a lot worse than just "shut up". 

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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 4:18:38 PM   
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I can't reconcile a "Royal Family" with the principle of "All People are created Equal"


I have the same problem with Presidents.


'Big difference. A president is elected by the people.

No doubt you'll talk about bush, reagan, praticalities, and to an extent I agree........but at least they elect their corrupt officials.

"Republicans need to come up with a better system". You can't seriously believe that privilege and election/representation are on a par? The English who left for America got it right when they created a system where any native over 35 could run the country.....they got it wrong when they stipulated that all voters must have a religious qualification. As soon as you start excluding people and creating a little club for those of similar background and beliefs, the system is doomed to be ridden with conflict and power-struggles, and that's exactly what the monarchy is...an exclusive club.

By around 1760, the colonists average lifespan was 45 versus 32 in Europe, and the colonists were working longer hours......a fairly good indicator that an all inclusive system, underpinned by equal opportunity, is the most appropriate means of generating prosperity and well-being.

The monarchy is a barrier to opportunity and incentive.

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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 4:21:40 PM   
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SANTIAGO, Chile - The king of Spain told Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to "shut up" Saturday during a heated exchange at a summit of leaders from Latin America, Spain and Portugal. 
 
Apparently Chavez is a bit of a hot head.  O, those nutty politcians.
 


Sounds to me like the king is the hothead......when resorting to "shut up".

If the king can't handle a heated exchange, then best to swerve it, rather than act like a child.

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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 4:22:39 PM   
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My criticism is more, "It's so rigged and pre-determined it makes Pro-Wrasslin look honest by comparison, and the mechanics of it are only as legitimate and functional as necessary to forestall a revolution". Witness the way, in some locations, exit polls just didn't track the reported results... Of course, not in Nevada, where the Gaming Board is well aware how to keep things honest... In Nevada, exit polls were dead on... ( And everywhere else without the DRE electronic machines... )


So who's it rigged for this election???


Put your money on Hilary Clinton. She's friendly to The War Industry, and guaranteed not to fuck up the profits, yet there is the appearance of change..



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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 4:29:59 PM   
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I think you could get a poll of Her Majesty's SUBJECTS on the elevation of Charles to King and find well over 70% oppose or think him undeserving.



It's nothing to do with personalities. I have no issues with the individuals, it's the concept of a monarchy. In fact, disbanding the whole thing would do them a favour because they'd be able to lead a normal life without Japanese, American, German, Canadian tourists following them around....and our press would grant them a shit in peace.

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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 5:28:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it is safe to say the majority on this thread thinks President Chavez, as a competent leader, is ridicules at best. He could be a danger to his own people and his neighbors.

What I wonder is who is to blame… the US for interference and past policies…. or the people of Venezuela.  

I blame the people... if we are to believe that all elections were honest in that country then they deserve an idiot like him. Just like we deserve an idiot like Bush
I believe given the free opportunity to get rid of the embarrassment of Chavez the Venezuelan people will… just as the people of the US realized the mistake they made with the extreme right and Bush.

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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 6:46:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, the Venezuelans did that, when the US backed terrorists threw their little coup a few years ago, and the Chavez government got themselves restored.



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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 7:06:52 PM   
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Well, the Venezuelans did that, when the US backed terrorists threw their little coup a few years ago, and the Chavez government got themselves restored.




You just pull all kinds of disinformation out of your butt crack, don't you.

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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 7:14:22 PM   
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Well, the Venezuelans did that, when the US backed terrorists threw their little coup a few years ago, and the Chavez government got themselves restored.


Hi farglebargle... that’s my point... Venezuelan politics are not much different from ours... He got in by giving tongue service to the working poor...in much the same way Bush used the religious right. He has not delivered on promises...much the same as Bush... if they are allowed a fair election he will be gone....I just don't think a fair election will happen...politics as usual in S. America

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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 7:48:02 PM   
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This thread disappoints...


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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/11/2007 9:23:43 PM   
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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/12/2007 1:49:24 AM   
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I can't reconcile a "Royal Family" with the principle of "All People are created Equal"


I have the same problem with Presidents.


'Big difference. A president is elected by the people.

No doubt you'll talk about bush, reagan, praticalities, and to an extent I agree........but at least they elect their corrupt officials.

"Republicans need to come up with a better system". You can't seriously believe that privilege and election/representation are on a par? The English who left for America got it right when they created a system where any native over 35 could run the country.....they got it wrong when they stipulated that all voters must have a religious qualification. As soon as you start excluding people and creating a little club for those of similar background and beliefs, the system is doomed to be ridden with conflict and power-struggles, and that's exactly what the monarchy is...an exclusive club.

By around 1760, the colonists average lifespan was 45 versus 32 in Europe, and the colonists were working longer hours......a fairly good indicator that an all inclusive system, underpinned by equal opportunity, is the most appropriate means of generating prosperity and well-being.

The monarchy is a barrier to opportunity and incentive.


I don't see what the lifespan of colonists to Brits has to do with it since the power of the country was not in the monarch's hands but in the hands of the elected parliament (elected by the few who had the vote which was a bigger % than the % that was allowed to vote in the US after independence of the colonies.). It was the laissez faire liberals that were the root of the social problems.

A constititutional monarchy has no power apart from that accorded to it by the Parliament. It is merely an institution to divide power and prevent power accumulating in the hands of too few politicians.

As for the American President and the US, European constitutional monarchies on the whole have a higher standard of education, better healthcare according to the stats and live longer than Americans so your initial jibe at the age of the colonists in the Americas and in Britain is pretty irrelvent, it is nearly three hundred years out of date.

I've never noticed the monarchy being a barrier to opportunity and incentive. According to the 2006 OCED report on social mobility the USA was at the bottom of the list of developed nations just behind Britain. All the Eurpean constitutional monarchies were streets ahaead. Not only that, Japan, that other anochronistic constitutional monarchy has more social mobility than the US according to the report.

Now you were saying about Presidents and opportunity?

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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/12/2007 10:20:00 AM   
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Put your money on Hilary Clinton. She's friendly to The War Industry, and guaranteed not to fuck up the profits, yet there is the appearance of change.


When she loses, what will that do to your theory?

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RE: King tells President to "Shut Up" - 11/12/2007 10:52:52 AM   
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Put your money on Hilary Clinton. She's friendly to The War Industry, and guaranteed not to fuck up the profits, yet there is the appearance of change.


When she loses, what will that do to your theory?


Who else is acceptable to the people who actually decide the results, AND believable enough to not cause a revolution?

The very first principle is "Business As Usual". That means Ron Paul is out, because while he'll take whatever PAC donations come his way, it's common knowledge that he's NOT going to take the PACs phone calls.

Kucinich is just as out. So among the "Vanilla" candidates, who's left? The Stealth Gore campaign? That's believable enough, and there's no doubt that Al Gore is a "Business As Usual" guy....



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