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popeye1250 -> RE: Health insurer tied bonuses to dropping sick policyholders (11/10/2007 7:21:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Is your "nationalized" local firehouse, "for profit",or not? 


And your ambulance squad?



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No, firemen and paramedics work for free

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Take away the pay incentive for physicians, then wait twenty years  and see what happens

Better yet just go to Canada to see your Nationalization experiment fast forwarded - no need to completely ruin our system for further proof that your idea is a disaster





Sanity, who said that Physicians wouldn't be well paid under that system?
If the average MD was making $140k per year now I'd raise them up to $165k per year.
And, the Europeans and Canadians seem to be happy with their systems. Sure, there'll always be complainers.
I'd like to see our money spent on us here in America instead of all this Imperialism.
And as for Ambulance EMTs and Firefighters I think they should get a raise too!



farglebargle -> RE: Health insurer tied bonuses to dropping sick policyholders (11/10/2007 8:00:01 PM)

AGAIN, today I was talking to a physician, and we came around to the problem of Health Insurers denying properly encoded claims, and the attendant costs associated with getting properly encoded claims properly paid.

We're talking trillions of dollars wasted, which could be going DIRECTLY into the provider's practices.

If that financial burden wasn't born by the providers, then they would be able to do, oh, say, mandatory pro-bono practice, to cover the uninsured, etc?






Lordandmaster -> RE: Health insurer tied bonuses to dropping sick policyholders (11/10/2007 8:15:22 PM)

And our vaunted healthcare system continues to rank near the bottom of the world in infant-mortality:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071111/ap_on_he_me/saving_the_smallest_us_picture



farglebargle -> RE: Health insurer tied bonuses to dropping sick policyholders (11/10/2007 8:17:35 PM)

I'm no so concerned with the statistics. It's a given that the system's broken. The only hitch is that the Health Insurers are able to spend more on lobbyists.




pinksugarsub -> RE: Health insurer tied bonuses to dropping sick policyholders (11/10/2007 10:52:21 PM)

Insurance companies are regulated by the states, not the federal government (generally).  The conduct described is known in the industry as "low-balling" and it means weeding sick from healthy people on a recurring basis so as to overcharge the healthy and get rid of the sick's claims.  The Insurance Commissioner's Office in the state where this occured should have caught on much sooner in market conduct exams, etc., but lax Cmrs reduce enforcement activities -- and beef up contributions to their campaigns or worse.
 
i am not convinced socialised medicine is a great plan either; the same problem occurs.  Many P/pl act outrageously in their own self-interest without concern for those in their care.
 
Never underestimate the depths to which P/pl may sink in pursuit of money or power or some such thing.
 
pinksugarsub



meatcleaver -> RE: Health insurer tied bonuses to dropping sick policyholders (11/11/2007 7:01:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pinksugarsub
 
i am not convinced socialised medicine is a great plan either; the same problem occurs.  Many P/pl act outrageously in their own self-interest without concern for those in their care.
 


People in Britain pay half of what Americans pay for healthcare and none are weeded out as too sick that they are a drain on resources. France and Germany pay more than Britain for better healthcare systems but their citizens still pay 30% or more less than Americans and again none are weeded out as too sick that they are a drain on resources. ALL citizens in the EU are covered by social healthcare, ALL the stats in western Europe show they have better healthcare than the US for significantly less money and ALL citizens are covered.

To have doubts about the benefits of socialized healthcare is to take an ignorant and blind ideological stance in the face of overwhelming evidence.



adoracat -> RE: Health insurer tied bonuses to dropping sick policyholders (11/11/2007 2:04:51 PM)

i had to go to the ER in sept, twice.  (once was a follow-up)

i got a letter from my insurance company telling me that i had to contact them to tell them they were my only insurance before they would pay the claim.

a friend of mine who used to work claims for that company said it was worded confusingly on purpose so that people would think they werent covered. 

kitten



FullCircle -> RE: Health insurer tied bonuses to dropping sick policyholders (11/11/2007 2:20:45 PM)

ALARP it[8|]

What is wrong with alarping I ask?



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