Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

Legal Paradox - The Rise of The Corporation


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> Legal Paradox - The Rise of The Corporation Page: [1]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Legal Paradox - The Rise of The Corporation - 11/8/2007 6:09:00 AM   
Real0ne


Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline


In 1886 the supreme court ruled that a corporation has "personhood".  Hence elevating them to the same level as a human person. (you and I).   Constitutionally corporations were limited to stricly "serving the public good and were only authorized privileges UNDER you and I, and after that ruling have equal rights to you and I.   (keep in mind that in feudal societies, you and I would have privileges not rights)  a slave has privileges given to them by ther masters.


Rights and Privileges

Before 1886: Only Humans Had Human Rights
Rights and PrivilegesOnly humans were “endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights” and those human rights included the right to free speech, the right to privacy, the right to silence in the face of accusation, and the right to live free of discrimination or slavery.

After 1886: After the Corporate Theft of Human Rights
While to this day unions, churches, governments, and small unincorporated businesses do not have “human rights” (but only privileges humans give them), corporations alone have moved into the category with humans as claiming rights instead of just privileges.


Politics

Before 1886:
In many states, it was a felony for corporations to give money to politicians, political parties, or try to influence elections: “They can’t vote, so what are they doing involved in politics?!”

After 1886:
Corporations claimed the human right of free speech, expanded that to mean the unlimited right to put corporate money into politics, and have thus taken control of our major political parties and politicians


Business


Before 1886:
States and local communities had laws to protect and nurture entrepreneurs and local businesses, and to keep out companies that had been convicted of crimes.

After 1886:
Multi-state corporations claimed such laws were “discrimination” under the 14th Amendment (passed to free the slaves) and got such laws struck down; local communities can no longer stop a predatory corporation.


War


Before 1886:
Government, elected by and for “We, The People,” made decisions about how armies would be equipped and, based on the will of the general populace, if and when we would go to war. Prior to WWII there were no permanent military manufacturing companies of significant size.

After 1886:
Military contractors grew to enormous size as a result of WWII and a permanent arms industry came into being, what Dwight Eisenhower called “the military/industrial complex.” It now lobbies government to buy its products and use them in wars around the world.


Regulation


Before 1886:
Corporations had to submit to the scrutiny of the representatives of “We, The People,” our elected government.

After 1886:
Corporations have claimed 4th Amendment human right to privacy and used it to keep out OSHA, EPA, and to hide crimes.


Purpose


Before 1886:
Corporations were chartered for a single purpose, had to also serve the public good, and had fixed/limited life spans.

After 1886:
Corporations lobbied states to change corporate charter laws to eliminate “public good” provisions from charters, to allow multiple purposes, and to exist forever.


Ownership


Before 1886:
Just as human persons couldn’t own other persons, corporations couldn’t own the stock of other corporations (mergers and acquisitions were banned).

After 1886:
Corporations claim the human right to economic activity free of regulatory restraint, and the still-banned-for-humans right to own others of their own kind.

The Rise of The Corporation



quote:

  ORIGINAL:  Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864

I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. ... corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864 (letter to Col. William F. Elkins) Ref: “The Lincoln Encyclopedia”, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY)


quote:

ORIGINAL:  Richard Robbins
[A U.S.] Supreme Court ruling in 1886 ... arguably set the stage for the full-scale development of the culture of capitalism, by handing to corporations the right to use their economic power in a way they never had before. Relying on the Fourteenth Amendment, added to the Constitution in 1868 to protect the rights of freed slaves, the Court ruled that a private corporation is a natural person under the U.S. Constitution, and consequently has the same rights and protection extended to persons by the Bill of Rights, including the right to free speech. Thus corporations were given the same “rights” to influence the government in their own interests as were extended to individual citizens, paving the way for corporations to use their wealth to dominate public thought and discourse. The debates in the United States in the 1990s over campaign finance reform, in which corporate bodies can “donate” millions of dollars to political candidates stem from this ruling although rarely if ever is that mentioned. Thus, corporations, as “persons,” were free to lobby legislatures, use the mass media, establish educational institutions such as many business schools founded by corporate leaders in the early twentieth century, found charitable organizations to convince the public of their lofty intent, and in general construct an image that they believed would be in their best interests. All of this in the interest of “free speech.” — Richard Robbins, Global Problems and the Culture of Capitalism, (Allyn and Bacon, 1999), p.100 (Bold Emphasis Added)
 

quote:


The doctrine of corporate personhood creates an interesting legal contradiction. The corporation is owned by its shareholders and is therefore their property. If it is also a legal person, then it is a person owned by others and thus exists in a condition of slavery -- a status explicitly forbidden by the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution. So is a corporation a person illegally held in servitude by its shareholders? Or is it a person who enjoys the rights of personhood that take precedence over the presumed ownership rights of its shareholders? So far as I have been able to determine, this contradiction has not been directly addressed by the courts.

http://www.ratical.org/corporations/SCvSPR1886.html#118US394



Does anyone recall the people authorizing the supreme court  to change the constitution?  The government being a corporation, is it surpizing they have granted themselves imunity and executive priviledge?  (and it scrapes that fine line of legal as a result of this ruling!!!!!) 

So here we are, we "give corporations" a grant to make a new drug, then they charge us an atronomical amount for those drugs. that we paid for the R&D on in the first place!   Then they pass it out like candy, get sued, and apply to the government for us to bail them out.

Giving employees a dime raise will bankrupt them but they can afford to pay ceo's millions and build new buildings over seas.

They can use their profits to bribe gov officials donate to candidates according to the corporate interests NOT ours and they have many times the cash to than we do.

Thats fair right?.  I mean thats good for the country isnt it? 

It seems the supeme court has given us a contradiction in law doesnt it.






< Message edited by Real0ne -- 11/8/2007 6:22:06 AM >


_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: Legal Paradox - The Rise of The Corporation - 11/8/2007 6:19:18 AM   
pahunkboy


Posts: 33061
Joined: 2/26/2006
From: Central Pennsylvania
Status: offline
i thought it read 1986 as in 19.  i thought it also was a typigraphical error. the system is never ever wrong.   sssssssssssssss

(in reply to Real0ne)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: Legal Paradox - The Rise of The Corporation - 11/8/2007 6:52:20 AM   
Real0ne


Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

i thought it read 1986 as in 19.  i thought it also was a typigraphical error. the system is never ever wrong.   sssssssssssssss



No not a typo at all!

Remember?  Shortly after this the supreme court ruled no new taxes on the tax issue then the 16th amendment then the federal reaserve etc etc etc  I think this was the begining of the corporate take over of america where ever so slowly they started collecting income and property ytaxes etc.

This is a good example of how laws are made left on the books after people think they are not enforced and when they are forgotten go into effect a few years later and no one can figure out how the government can do the things they do etc.


Someone mentioned that it did not matter if they passed hr 1955 becasue lots of laws are on the books that are never enforced.   I would add that are not enforced today this moment but look what happens long term as an example.



So do you think thie has come full circle to bite us in the ass?



U.S. Supreme Court
SANTA CLARA COUNTY v. SOUTHERN PAC. R. CO., 118 U.S. 394 (1886)

118 U.S. 394

COUNTY OF SANTA CLARA
v.
SOUTHERN PAC. R. CO. 1

PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
v.
CENTRAL PAC. R. CO.

SAME
v.
SOUTHERN PAC. R. CO.

Filed May 10, 1886

    [118 U.S. 394, 396]   D. M. Delmas, A. L. Rhodes, for Santa Clara County. [118 U.S. 394, 397]   E. C. Marshall, for plaintiffs in error.

  Wm. M. Evarts, Geo. F. Edmunds, and S. W. Sanderson, for defendants in error.

  After stating the facts in the foregoing language, Mr. Justice HARLAN delivered the opinion of the court.


< Message edited by Real0ne -- 11/8/2007 6:53:07 AM >


_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to pahunkboy)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: Legal Paradox - The Rise of The Corporation - 11/8/2007 7:17:27 AM   
pahunkboy


Posts: 33061
Joined: 2/26/2006
From: Central Pennsylvania
Status: offline
it doesnt breath.  my dog does.  so tecknically my dog should have more right to life resources then a corp

(in reply to Real0ne)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: Legal Paradox - The Rise of The Corporation - 11/8/2007 7:33:44 AM   
farglebargle


Posts: 10715
Joined: 6/15/2005
From: Albany, NY
Status: offline
I don't see the word "Corporation" in the Constitution.

They are The People's Creation, and therefore The People's Bitches.

End of discussion.

_____________________________

It's not every generation that gets to watch a civilization fall. Looks like we're in for a hell of a show.

ברוך אתה, אדוני אלוקינו, ריבון העולמים, מי יוצר צמחים ריחניים

(in reply to pahunkboy)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: Legal Paradox - The Rise of The Corporation - 11/8/2007 8:35:34 AM   
pahunkboy


Posts: 33061
Joined: 2/26/2006
From: Central Pennsylvania
Status: offline
the constitution. that is SO 'old Europe. [sorry friends]    an infomericial is more credible. 

(in reply to farglebargle)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: Legal Paradox - The Rise of The Corporation - 11/9/2007 1:15:06 PM   
Real0ne


Posts: 21189
Joined: 10/25/2004
Status: offline

While i agree that they should be the peoples bitches the question is how did we become their bitches?  

Corporations cant vote so why did our legislators in their infinite wisdom allow them donate money to champaigns?

Corporations can afford to donte millions and we cant so where does that leave we the people?

What can be done about now?   They want to create even a bigger one and go with the north american union!

It seems to me this is a reason for lots of discussion or at least lots of letters to senators.

Now that they have robbed us or our say so in government do you think we can ever get it back?





_____________________________

"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

(in reply to farglebargle)
Profile   Post #: 7
Page:   [1]
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> Legal Paradox - The Rise of The Corporation Page: [1]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.188