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chellekitty -> RE: To Subspace or Not (11/4/2007 12:38:03 PM)

sometimes subspace is the goal of a scene...sometimes it's not...depends on the goal...and i am not in control...as i have mentioned before if i am in control of a scene i will end it real quick...however i do have needs that need to be met...and i will put having them met off, if i can't be met...what i mean is...if i need subspace and the person that is available can't give me subspace but they can give me pain (i am not in a committed relationship right now so i only play causually)...i don't play...and vice versa...

did that make sense?

chelle



forg0ttenclone -> RE: To Subspace or Not (11/4/2007 2:14:24 PM)

Being a submissive with a strong and some what dominant personality, letting go completely is rather hard for me.  I try and try but it's very difficult.  I've had a few moments of subspace, but never more than a matter of minutes.  I must say, with hearing so many of the experiences of subspace and how long it lasts, i long for that extended period of subspace where i am able to leave it all behind so to speak. 

But, when you're a masochist... it sounds like a double edged sword.  I'm a masochist at heart and thrive on pain.  The submission and pain are both huge releases for me as far as stress and emotions go.  So having to leave that behind in subspace has it's own downfalls. What to do, what to do <laughs>.  Kind of one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't things.  I think despite being a masochist, to experience that leve of subspace for a longer period of time than i have previously would be awesome.



LaMspeach -> RE: To Subspace or Not (11/4/2007 3:03:58 PM)

For me it depends on my mood and weather he wants me to go to sub space or not. There have been times were he has kept me from spacing just because he wanted me to feel everything that was happening. There has also been times when I actaully seem to space after the fact while i am laying at his feet spent .

I dont actively seek subspace or try to avoid it. I just focus on what he wants from me and he will guide me to where he wants me to go.



eyesopened -> RE: To Subspace or Not (11/4/2007 3:20:54 PM)

Thank you very much for this thread!  As a deformed person who is physically incapable of ever experiencing subspace, i have always felt, well, inadequate and deformed.  my body simply does NOT produce endorphins, ever.  i have never once felt like flying or slipping away or muted or any of those things. 

But your post gives me a new perspective, that i have total recall, total awareness of all the sensations, pleasant and unpleasant and total knowledge that during my suffering i feel it all, ever time, and i have a sense of victory that i have endured with grace.  Thank you.



MistressPurpleFL -> RE: To Subspace or Not (11/4/2007 4:55:58 PM)

I enjoy having my submissives enter into their subspace as I enjoy my Domme Space [:D]  The intensity levels vary with who I play with and how I play... I let the emotions and sensations take us to that PLACE but I am always in control because as the Dominant I know it is my responsibility.



mistoferin -> RE: To Subspace or Not (11/4/2007 5:10:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kyraofMists
Have you kept yourself from spacing out during play or do you actively seek that experience? 


In casual play experiences I will sometimes fight off subspace, depending upon the dominant and the environment in which we are playing. In a committed relationship or even in play with trusted individuals...I allow it to take it's natural course.



kyraofMists -> RE: To Subspace or Not (11/4/2007 5:15:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened
But your post gives me a new perspective, that i have total recall, total awareness of all the sensations, pleasant and unpleasant and total knowledge that during my suffering i feel it all, ever time, and i have a sense of victory that i have endured with grace.  Thank you.


It is my pleasure. 

While the oblivion of subspace can be nice at times, I much prefer to be fully present and involved in our play.  He very much enjoys the interaction that occurs when I am aware of what is going on. 

Knight's Kyra 



darchChylde -> RE: To Subspace or Not (11/4/2007 5:30:32 PM)

i thought i was immune to it, as i've experienced much in the way of intense corporeal and sensation play with previous partners

though i've only been there once, Ma'am got me there through casually scratching my head and neck and playing with my hair... as i was told, i was just suddenly "out" and fell forward to be caught by Her foot... i was "out" for about 15 minutes and rather disoriented that night, i felt the effects throught most of the next day

i came to the conclusion that it happened due to the fact that i was in a crowded dungeon (being demophobic, not a very nice place to be) and suddenly realized that that i was completely safe at Ma'ams feet... my rollercoaster of emotions and fears that entire day, mixed with the casually affectionate nature of the way She was touching me took me somewhere i've never been to before may never get to again



InkedMaster -> RE: To Subspace or Not (11/4/2007 8:03:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened
But your post gives me a new perspective, that i have total recall, total awareness of all the sensations, pleasant and unpleasant and total knowledge that during my suffering i feel it all, ever time, and i have a sense of victory that i have endured with grace.  Thank you.


It is my pleasure. 

While the oblivion of subspace can be nice at times, I much prefer to be fully present and involved in our play.  He very much enjoys the interaction that occurs when I am aware of what is going on. 

Knight's Kyra 

I am very much in agreement with this statement. With past partners that have entered "subspace" as they defined it, I felt cheated and left unfullfilled. Selfish of me? perhaps. But with eyesopened, I love the fact she doesn't get lost in the interaction. I can see her eyes, her expressions, I can hear her whimpers, her moans and her screams, this is a woman totally aware of her surroundings and her sufferings and she endures this for me out of love, commitment and a desire to see me pleased. That's what gets me off. Selfish of me? perhaps.  -smirks-



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: To Subspace or Not (11/4/2007 9:00:33 PM)

Eyes- I would only say that endorphines are only ONE (the most common) way of reaching what people call "subspace."  I do not have endorphin highs either, I'm not a masochist in the slightest.  I have a medium high pain tolerance and a zero pain/pleasure conversion tolerance.

But I DO get adrenalines, seratonins and many happy chemical reactions going in my body AND I have a lot of emotional/spiritual experiences during play, all of which can take me to what I call "subspace."

As I always say, subspace really isn't that big of a deal- plenty of subs NEVER experience "subspace" and even more experience it only rarely.  But I'd just say don't think that endorphin highs are the only way people can define the experience of "subspace."



miladyh -> RE: To Subspace or Not (11/17/2007 6:25:40 PM)

Along these same lines I have also heard Doms/Dommes speak of going into Domspace...

What does that feel like to the Dominants?  I am assuming it is not a flying or hazy feeling...as that could be dangerous.



Celeste43 -> RE: To Subspace or Not (11/17/2007 8:31:21 PM)

eyesopened, I seriously doubt you're 'deformed'.

Mostly people fly from pain, but even in those people there are different paths. Some need long warm ups, others need immediate hard play.

Me? I don't float from pain but from sensory deprivation; bondage, gag, blindfold and then sensation play. If I don't get all of this I don't float. If he keeps changing things when I start floating off, I don't float. It's very specific and doesn't happen on demand.



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