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PBS Frontline: Cheney's Law - 11/3/2007 10:05:06 PM   
farglebargle


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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cheney/etc/script.html

Discuss.


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RE: PBS Frontline: Cheney's Law - 11/4/2007 5:19:15 AM   
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My primary problem with that Frontline piece is the rhetoric expended on the idea that Cheney and his gang of thugs are "true believers" in making their outrageous claims for broadening the power of the executive. There is no support for such overreaching in the U.S. Constitution, and such arguments are preposterous on their face in a country where even the average grade school kid knows that each branch of government watches over the others in a system of "checks and balances." No one is having a "gentlemen's disagreement" about whether such power resides in the executive - everyone knows it does not! It's a power grab, pure and simple. Such asserted power is criminal in its nature and most likely an impeachable offense as it strikes at the very heart of the difference between a republic and a monarchy.

Don't believe me? Ask Julius Caesar.

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RE: PBS Frontline: Cheney's Law - 11/4/2007 9:13:13 AM   
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while in part i agree, if there were in fact balance of power we would not have the level of corruption that we do in government.  We would not be ging to war chasing nonexistant wmds, we would not be renting our money at a premium and we would not have our rights taken away at a whim exactly as they do in monarchies. (patriot act)  Finally we would not have the coporatocracy and a military industrial complext that is out of control and above the law.

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RE: PBS Frontline: Cheney's Law - 11/4/2007 3:09:19 PM   
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So, what's new ?

We had no business going into WW1, WW2, Korea, VietNam, Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else.

Must help England because of the evil Hitler, wait, wasn't England oppressing us and that is why there is a US in the first place ? Help the south take over Korea, help the south take over VietNam. Put Saddam Hussein in power, and then remove him much to the detriment of the Iraqis. Now what, Iran ?

The fact of the matter is we have no business doing anything to anyone unless they come to this country, our jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of the Constitution not only does not include all the countries we have bombed, only the several states and US territories.

Too many people read between the lines instead of reading the lines. This is caused by a motivated self interest in many cases.

I can put up with the fact that we cannot have the freedoms the early settlers had. There are too many people for that. I can put up with the fact that there must be some taxation if we want roads and sewer systems.

But the current politicians, well I got a very good use for the sewer systems, for their bodies.

It is for We The People to alter or abolish this government. It is written into the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution for that reason. And the reason why it had to be written is that the Constitution was written by Men with power, who had some restraint in how they use that power. But they saw others in power just get greedier and usurp all of the people's rights.

They knew that this is human nature. It is written specifically that We The People have the right to alter or abolish a govrnment that does not serve the people. When are we going to get started ? And how exactly do we start ?

It is also written that We The People have the right to petition the government for redress of our grievances, and there are many.

About ten years ago I had a plan, for our own million Man march, on the capital. Surround them. Get a megaphone. I wrote a document titled "We Demand". In it along with the demands was a statement that what we were doing is authorized by the Constitution, and that they could not fire upon us.

I wanted to make it all public of course, and to fly to near the capital, and literally all walk right up to the front steps. All this with our signs and whatever, picking up more people on the way. I mean cause traffic jams.

This is not inconcievable, there are 300 million people here, and alot more than a million are pissed off at the government. I thought we could do it, but that was in my younger days. Now, they would just gas us.

They have crowd control down to a science, literally. They have banks of ultrasonic transducers which, when fed the right waveform can make people feel like they have to go to the bathroon NOW, or nauseous, and who knows what else. They simply have too much power for us to exercise our rights. We can't fight that.

Believe me folks, it is over, whatever they do to us, we have to grin and bear it. Do I like it, hell no. Is it true, hell yes. I don't want to be a gloomy Gus, but we can't do a damn thing about it, and it is likely to stay that way. Until the commoner can fight their technology we are fucked. That is the point.

These fucking people will never give up, power is an addiction for them, and there is no rehab for them. Instead there is rehab for dissenters. In a way they are right, you have to be crazy to go against them. And endlessly repeating how they fuck us over every day is not going to change a thing.

Here is the thing, if you were them what would you do ? Would you gracefully bow out of your position of power or would you crush your enemies ? Give me a break, if you were dictator of the US and there was a whole city of people who wanted you dead, you might possibly drop a nuke on that city. You would do evereything in your power to stay in power.

I know, I used to be a criminal. I would stop at nothing. Law and morals mean nothing when you are like that. I would be set for life if I hadn't blown it, and if I hadn't already blown it, I would kill anyone who tried to get in my way.

I changed, but they didn't. Greed and lust for power are human traits. Those who have them are motivated by them, and encouraged by their successes. They also handle their failures quite well.

We are not playing with kids here folks. No matter how incompetent you think the government is, they are not. That is an illusion they give you to minimize their culpability for selling us out when they are supposed to be our leaders.

And as far as what is the truth ? Let's put it this way, rumors are rumors, but when there are tens of thousands of rumors, some of them are, by the odds, true. Like FDR and Pearl Harbor, JFK and the Mossad, Nixon with the tapes. Is it all a lie ? Do you think these rich people always act in our best interest ? Do you think they got rich by being generous ?

You can see by the posturing and all the bullshit that they do not all agree, except for one thing. Take from the People. Even David Duke, even James Trafficant, even Ron Paul. They all take, and they take because they want to take, and they can.

I support Ron Paul, but he took. Doctors should not be as rich as they are. Medicine should not be the money game that it is. But nobody is perfect.

Everything does not meet the eye, you would just about have to be omnipotent to see it all, the real big picture.I take. If I get $300 for fifteen minutes work, that is the way it is. Will I take less ? Why should I ?

If they are willing to pay it, I will take it. At least I admit it. Is it wrong ? You can't make that decision until you know all the facts. If I am amortizing costs for the first $300 job for which I NOW know solutions, that cost thousands in time to figure out, am I ripping them off ? I say no.

But the politicians generally have not worked a day in their life, nor have any useful skills whatsoever. So I stand on my ability to criticize them. Let George Bush, either of them, come and do your job for one day. And if they happen to be able to handle that, let them come and do my job. They can't, period. These politicians are worse than welfare recipients, most welfare recipients would rather have a decent job, but the politicians took them all away and sent them overseas where the cheap labor is. Welfare recipients did not do that, the politicians did. Both are paid out of tax money.

One class destroys the country and the other does nothing.

So where are we ?

T

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RE: PBS Frontline: Cheney's Law - 11/5/2007 3:02:23 AM   
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quote:


So where are we ?


I dunno.

Somewhere pretty fucked up, when you take that Frontline piece and finally see how it all played out.

Being immersed in the events, we lose historical context, for even current events.

They're writing history a lot faster these days I guess?


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RE: PBS Frontline: Cheney's Law - 11/5/2007 9:56:07 PM   
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The problem is not how fast they are writing history, it is WHO is writing history.

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