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Discipline as Punishment - 11/3/2007 4:55:22 PM

fit2pleaseu

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Im interested to know how Dommes and subs feel about the physical punishment side of things ie being caned etc..
Briefly i know there are those that seem to like this side of punishment to the point where it wont be used as its not achieving
its purpose!
I find that i think being punished in this way erotic and think of it as an important form of discipline should i need it.
But saying that i dont enjoy being whipped or caned at all but it seems to me that i gain pleasure from submitting to this for a Dommes
pleasure or needs.
Would this be the general thought process from subs in general and what do Dommes think about this?

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/3/2007 4:58:28 PM

SwPuno

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It's the mindset that matters, not the masochism. A feather can bring a sub to tears if they understand and internalize the punishment. A whip slicing through the flesh will be meaningless if they do not.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_800482/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#800522
Punishment and how you choose to apply it

http://www.collarchat.com/m_611292/mpage_2/key_punishment/tm.htm#611778
Punishment is Deceptive

http://www.collarchat.com/m_597685/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#597689
Talking Vs Corporal Punishment

http://www.collarchat.com/m_572243/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#572280
Question for female subs on punishment

http://www.collarchat.com/m_18608/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#18608
Punishment and Discipline

http://www.collarchat.com/m_74162/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#74162
Training? Punishment?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_84734/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#84734
Punishment vs Play

http://www.collarchat.com/m_146151/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#146151
What is the difference between punishment and discipline?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_374557/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#374557
Testing, being broken, regular punishment, etc, etc....

http://www.collarchat.com/m_523257/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#523257
Discipline & Punishment

http://www.collarchat.com/m_495126/mpage_1/key_punishment/tm.htm#495126
On punishment

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/3/2007 5:07:07 PM

fit2pleaseu

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Thanks for the links SwPuno

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/3/2007 5:14:17 PM

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I use pain as punishment I find it works well. My slave likes pain, but I find when I use pain as punishment it's not the same as when i'm just doing it for fun. When I punish him I am cold not loving. He knows he did something wrong and that it displeases me to have to punish him even though I love training. When I am inflicting pain because I like to I am enjoying it and he's enjoying it. There very different.

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/3/2007 5:27:02 PM

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i personally love the cane, will even go to the lengths to ask for it just because

. But when it comes down to actually a punishment, then the cane can hurt but i still enjoy it to some degree, although not as much as when i ask for it.

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/3/2007 5:32:03 PM

Dragynsfury

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I enjoy dishing out the pain but if i know they like it and it is a form of erotic stimulation for them then I go silent treatment or just walk away. That has more impact than my devices.

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/3/2007 5:58:45 PM

sweetnurseBBW

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I am a masochist but not all forms of pain are pleasurable to me. So pain could be used a discipline but I take nothing from it other than the pain. So nothing learned there for me.

I am rarely disciplined so when I have been it has been more of a non pain way to deal with the discipline. Usually things that make me think about what I did are more effective with me. With using pain on me there is always a chance I could end up enjoying it and that defeats the purpose of being disciplined for doing something wrong.

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/3/2007 6:46:14 PM

IrishMist

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quote:

ORIGINAL: fit2pleaseu

Im interested to know how Dommes and subs feel about the physical punishment side of things ie being caned etc..
Briefly i know there are those that seem to like this side of punishment to the point where it wont be used as its not achieving
its purpose!
I find that i think being punished in this way erotic and think of it as an important form of discipline should i need it.
But saying that i dont enjoy being whipped or caned at all but it seems to me that i gain pleasure from submitting to this for a Dommes
pleasure or needs.
Would this be the general thought process from subs in general and what do Dommes think about this?

I perfer to be talked to when I do something wrong.

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/4/2007 3:59:56 AM

batshalom

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I have rarely been punished except in play. I don't require it - I am a grown woman with a decent idea of what is acceptable and what is not. I do not find punishment of the serious sort to be erotic in any way, regardless if the punishment is an activity I typically enjoy.

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/4/2007 6:53:55 AM

Kana

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Old joke,
masochist begs "Hurt me."
sadist answers "No."

The worst punishment I know is to look her in the eyes and tell her, "I am very disappointed in you. I had hoped you could do better than this. "
Whatever I do to her after that is nothing compared to what she will do to herself.

If I want to be really evil I say, "I cannot believe you just did that, its so awful I cannot even think of a consequence right now. Come back with what you think is the punishment you should recieve in X numebr of days..If its too light I will do something drastic." Its awesome, for the set period of time its all she can think about oscillating between fear, contemplation and wanting so ard to selct an appropriate punishment. Its a classic act of indirect submission.

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/4/2007 6:57:38 AM

bandit25

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I agree with Irish, although I do think "wrong" is subjective. I prefer to think of it as making a mistake. For me, it's hard to do something "wrong" per se. I may not understand something or, perhaps, it could be out of my comfort zone and then it's time to chat. And I don't understand punishment for a mistake.

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/4/2007 6:59:12 AM

Celeste43

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If you're enjoying it, finding it erotic, then it isn't punishment it is pain play. If he's doing something to cause you pain because you displeased him, then it's punishment.

If you were late meeting him at a restaurant and he decided you should not be allowed to eat at all that night as punishment, would you find it erotic?

But we don't have a punishment dynamic. He doesn't go looking for excuses to hurt me. Either I want to do things he likes or I don't. And if I don't, then the relationship needs some hard communication to figure out why I'm angry and resentful and what needs to be done to get past that point, and have us both devoted to keeping the relationship healthy.

Of course that takes a lot more work on the part of the dom than does just whipping someone without listening to them. Plus then he gets the pleasure of telling everyone she wasn't a true sub when she finally walks.

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/5/2007 1:32:58 AM

Focus50

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I don't do "physical punishments"....

On the very rare occasions my girl has been deserving of punishment for angering me in some way, I prefer to use the denial of attention (corner time). As others have said, it ain't punishment if it's erotic or there's a level of enjoyment attached, *including* the giving of my attention.

Sure, it can be done by setting the proper head space for the sub by reinforcing that her actions have displeased me etc but I've found that in defining the deserving of punishment as her making me angry, it means I'm in NO mood to set anything for her. So I do the opposite and send her away until I've cooled off.

I do use short and sharp pain to discipline her but that's nothing to do with actually being angry. I like a sub who's playful and with a sense of mischief about her and when she inevitably steps out of line, I pull her back; simple....

What you're calling "punishment" is pain play to me and has nothing to do with a corrective response at all. If I'm in the mood to paddle her butt, I just do it and it certainly doesn't need some fanciful pretext to set the scene. Conversely, if the girl's in the mood, she only hasta ask because being a brat is NOT gonna get her what she wants.

Focus.

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/5/2007 8:44:15 AM

slimcontroller

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quote:

the physical punishment side of things

I was drawn to this thread by the headline, which seemed to perpetuate the usual confusion between punishment and disclipine. The latter is concerned with the rules the former a method of enforcing them and we may debate how effecive it is compared to other methods. The BUT is that, it was pointed out to me, discipline has a special meaning historically when applied to those of a monastic bent, when the term actually includes the scourging as well as the rules. In which context the film "the Devils" ( Ken Russel on a novel by Aldous Huxley) provides some excellent pornography !

Slimc.

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/5/2007 8:48:33 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slimcontroller

quote:

the physical punishment side of things

I was drawn to this thread by the headline, which seemed to perpetuate the usual confusion between punishment and disclipine. The latter is concerned with the rules the former a method of enforcing them and we may debate how effecive it is compared to other methods. The BUT is that, it was pointed out to me, discipline has a special meaning historically when applied to those of a monastic bent, when the term actually includes the scourging as well as the rules. In which context the film "the Devils" ( Ken Russel on a novel by Aldous Huxley) provides some excellent pornography !

Slimc.

Not to hijack, but I hardly ever hear anyone speak about this film; which affected me so deeply I did a thesis on it in college!!

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/5/2007 10:01:24 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: fit2pleaseu

I find that i think being punished in this way erotic and think of it as an important form of discipline should i need it.

But saying that i dont enjoy being whipped or caned at all but it seems to me that i gain pleasure from submitting to this for a Dommes
pleasure or needs.

In terms of punishments, discipline or for pleasure it simply depends on the person and the types and how they are administrated.

For certain things I just have found for me personally that pain is the most effective punishment. Whether it is similar toys or area to my Master’s play is not a big deal or confusing at all because the atmosphere is far different. When pain is being administered for punishment my Master is taking no pleasure in it and this also adds to my punishment. I know many people that even keep a few different toys separate for punishment to keep a distinction for the two people.

The thing I quoted above is basically me. I get my pleasure out of seeing my Master’s pleasure in a dichotomy to my suffering. So the pleasure is not in the direct infliction but the byproducts for me. Discipline to me is a important aspect of creating an atmosphere and deepening my submission level. So discipline whether for Master’s pleasure or just for discipline purposes is to me quite important in my relationship.

When this topic always gets brought up I always refer to domestic discipline people who use pain for both punishment, discipline and even pleasure that the human mind is complex and can handle the distinctions if handle in a logical way.

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/5/2007 5:47:39 PM

waywardslave

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For me it is the mindset. I can be hit as hard in a session and not affect me. If it is punishment it will put me in tears fast. The knowledge that I disappointed my Master is what is punishment for me.

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/5/2007 5:49:51 PM

Willowmoon

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For a long time Pain always meant punishment to me. Master has been showing me in the last two weeks that pain can be fun, can feel good and be enjoyable and I am begining to like pain (Master tells me I am a pain slut as I take more then most he has played with) however when pain is used as punishment it does feel different and the he goes about it is different. He is fairly cold and hard when he is using pain as punishment and usualty the guilt I am feeling for what ever it was i did it so bad that i wouldn't enjoy it anyway.

Willow

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RE: Discipline as Punishment - 11/6/2007 9:37:46 AM

MasterMataeo

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sometimes the worse punishment is being ignored

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