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cyberdude611 -> Gingrich: Hillary's chances now down to 50% (11/1/2007 10:22:30 PM)
A few months ago Newt Gingrich said that Hillary had an 80% chance of winning the election. Now, he says she has dropped to 50% in one night. “Her performance in that debate was so bad, on issues that matter so much, she may not be able to recover from it… This issue of Spitzer trying to give out [driver's licenses] to people at a time when your driver’s license allows you to vote – for her to trap herself into saying that creates a big wound…" The fact that she said she’s basically sympathetic with Rangel’s trillion dollar tax increase – that’s going to arouse some deep opposition. The huge Democratic tax increase allowed us to win in 1994… Then, I saw in a ticker on Fox News, when Sen. Edwards said nominating her would be ‘a victory for a corruption machine’… it brings back a lot of memories of the Chinese funding scandals of 1996… It takes her winning the nomination from an 80 percent likelihood to a 50 percent. It’s even money. If she doesn’t turn this around quick, I may have to call back in and take it even lower.” http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGI0N2FiYmJmODUyYTczNWNmMTViMjFhYzZkODRlNDM=

pinkme2 -> RE: Gingrich: Hillary's chances now down to 50% (11/1/2007 10:53:09 PM)
Huh. Ok. I pretty much go into election night with no idea how it will play out, and I like it that way. lol

popeye1250 -> RE: Gingrich: Hillary's chances now down to 50% (11/2/2007 12:00:59 AM)
Gingrich is wrong. She's un-electable.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Gingrich: Hillary's chances now down to 50% (11/2/2007 5:04:51 AM)
I am almost in 100% agreement here, but not quite. She is a polarizing candidate, and most people already know whether they would vote for her or not, so there is not much in the middle (undecided independents or moderates of either party) for her to gain. It is this middle ground that usually decides the elections. Orion quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Gingrich is wrong. She's un-electable.

sub4hire -> RE: Gingrich: Hillary's chances now down to 50% (11/2/2007 6:33:01 AM)
Not that I care whether she makes it in or not. My issue is with the whole voting process. Why do they campaign to begin with? To lull us into some false sense of security? Bush has proven to us twice now that we clearly don't vote anyone in. As a whole why should we bother with any of them? We don't make any decisions on whether they make it or not.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Gingrich: Hillary's chances now down to 50% (11/2/2007 8:58:45 AM)
First off, we don't vote for the President. If you look at the constitution, there is no protection for anyone's right to vote for the president. The president is elected by the electoral college. The power that you have to vote for the president is given to you by your STATE government. Not the feds. The 2000 election was a genuine f-up. The vote in Florida was so close that it basically was mathematically impossible to decide the winner. And it got to the point that you couldnt even recount anymore. In other words, because the punch-card ballots were already put through the machine so many times, those little chads started to become dislodged and fall out. So you can count the vote 50 times and have 50 different counts. The most accurate count with punch-card balloting is actually the very first count. When you count it again, some of those chads become dislodged and you will have a different count and everyone starts thinking voter fraud when it is isnt. It is just that the ballots were not designed multiple counts like that. Florida did away with those and went to electronic voting. People got pissed off over that too so now I think they are going to scantrons in the next election. And Im sure someone will be pissed over that as well.

sub4hire -> RE: Gingrich: Hillary's chances now down to 50% (11/2/2007 11:46:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 First off, we don't vote for the President. If you look at the constitution, there is no protection for anyone's right to vote for the president. The president is elected by the electoral college. The power that you have to vote for the president is given to you by your STATE government. Not the feds. Exactly so why get all caught up in their rhetoric? It is out of our hands anyway. Why do they waste to many millions of dollars campaigning? To buy whose vote? Not the public. I don't see why people fight amoungst themselves for something we as the people of the United States have no control over anyway.

luckydog1 -> RE: Gingrich: Hillary's chances now down to 50% (11/2/2007 12:00:13 PM)
Actually the next president will likely get less than 50%, and end up with most people not wanting him or her. Which is not going to be very good for America. It's just where we are now. Remember Clinton got elected with 38% of the votes cast in 92. The upcoming election is all going to be about turnout, and base holding. Both parties have pissed off wings. Hillary has a real shot at winning, but its too early to put a number on her (or anyones)chance.

bipolarber -> RE: Gingrich: Hillary's chances now down to 50% (11/2/2007 12:13:04 PM)
Oh, yeah, I trust a GOP wonk like him to handicap a race like this fairly. No doubt his opinion is "fair and balanced." Yes, Clinton took a couple of hits the other night, when the boys all started to bear bait her. But as of this writing, there are still 60 days to go before the Dem candidate is actually chosen. A lot can happen in 60 days. Personally, I'd love to see it be a Clinton/Romney runoff, with Huckabee being run as the religious right's "spoiler" candidate. You couln't buy that kind of entertainment!

popeye1250 -> RE: Gingrich: Hillary's chances now down to 50% (11/3/2007 9:53:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber Oh, yeah, I trust a GOP wonk like him to handicap a race like this fairly. No doubt his opinion is "fair and balanced." Yes, Clinton took a couple of hits the other night, when the boys all started to bear bait her. But as of this writing, there are still 60 days to go before the Dem candidate is actually chosen. A lot can happen in 60 days. Personally, I'd love to see it be a Clinton/Romney runoff, with Huckabee being run as the religious right's "spoiler" candidate. You couln't buy that kind of entertainment! I think that's probably what we'll see, a Clinton/ Romney runoff. Guiliani just won't play too well in the South and in other parts of the country. McCain's out because of his "amnesty" stance, Thompson won't get many votes, I'm still waiting for Senator Abbadabba to start being "exciting." The Dems won Congress in 2006 on a promise of getting us out of Iraq but they only have about 1 year to make good on that promise. They'd better get moving! And incredulously Clinton is talking about having Troops there until 2013! Plus she voted for Bush's "amnesty" just voted for the "Dream Act" (another "amnesty") and she supports Prince Eliot's liscences for illegal aliens in New York when 72% of New Yorkers are against it! You just can't go against the wishes of so many of the American People and be elected never mind all the "negatives" she has built in. Plus, I still don't know what Hillary Clinton "stands for!" I mean what exactly does Hillary Clinton stand for? Does anyone know? Going to "WELLESLY" college the other day surely didn't help her! Like that will get her the endorsement of The Teamsters! Or the Iron Workers Union. Sheesh! "The U.S. Senate, where Presidential aspirations go to die." Governors have a much better record of being elected President than do Senators. Senators are far too "removed" from the People. Look at the number of Governors who became President; Bush 1, Bush 2, Carter, Reagan, Clinton. I think the last President who was elected from the Senate was Kennedy. And I'm an Independant voter but I just wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton and I suspect that that's true for most other Independants as well. Without the Independant vote you can't win.

luckydog1 -> RE: Gingrich: Hillary's chances now down to 50% (11/3/2007 10:14:55 AM)
Actually Hillary can win with just the Democratic base, if the right leaning folks split. Like happened in 92.

awmslave -> RE: Gingrich: Hillary's chances now down to 50% (11/3/2007 2:14:05 PM)
My verdict: Hilary Clinton is un-electable, US Democratic party leadership makes the same error as in 2004 by pushing foreward a weak candidate.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Gingrich: Hillary's chances now down to 50% (11/3/2007 4:53:53 PM)
But Gingrich made a good point... If Dems win the White House and the congress (like they did in 1992), they are likely to put through the wrong things. They will increase taxes (already talking about a $1 trillion dollar increase), they will push for socialized medicine, will NOT change the direction of the war, and they will do nothing to secure the borders. And those policies will piss off practically everyone but maybe some of the lower class. And that's how the GOP swept into power in 1994. If the Dems do this, people are going to get sinck of the socialism very fast and the GOP will be right back in power.

Griswold -> RE: Gingrich: Hillary's chances now down to 50% (11/3/2007 5:33:10 PM)
Well...I base everything I know off of what Newt Gingrich says...so....that was rather telling.

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