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RE: Is Giuliani just more of what we have now? - 11/2/2007 9:19:01 AM

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Honesty I can admire, even if I disagree with the substance. He seems to want confrontation, more so than Bush does. We need someone that will be able to cross party lines, to effect positive change. I do not see Giuliani as being able to do that. I see the US needing to consolidate power within itself, and that means not going to war unless necessary, pulling jobs back into the US, fixing the budget and trade deficit, fixing health care, handling immigration issues, and instilling some confidence back in the office.

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"Honesty I can admire, even if I disagree with the substance".

Same here,that`s why I like Dr. Ron Paul,and Denis Kucinich(hot-wife!!).

But I didn`t mean that in the normal way.
I was speaking about the brutal way he destroys people, who don`t agree with or support him.There`s no nuance or polite discourse,that most people have,even bush.

He goes for the throat,but doesn`t bother to hide the fact.That`s the honesty I was talking about.

He`s just as much a liar as most,maybe more.He was caught cooking the books on crime statistics and school performance stats.He enjoyed an affair for most of his time in office,and had the "g/f" over to Gracie Mansion.At a time,btw,when Clinton was getting hammered over one,single bj,in the WH,fuck`n hypocrites.

His very first job as a politician,was Mayor of NY.He did well at 1st,but by the end,was not liked much.9/11 fogged all that out,b/c we all dropped the bullshit,in order to tend to our wounds.

But still,there`s a history there,to look at or ignor.He was like Mussolini.He cleaned up crime and made the trains run on time,but like Mussolini,there was the dark side to Rudy.

When he suggested that he stay on,"a little" longer as NY`s Mayor,Mike Bloomberg slapped him to his senses and bid him goodbye,in no uncertain terms.

He 1st mentioned his intention to divorce his wife,to his wife,at a public news conference.Now that`s class,for ya.But honest,lol.He sent a cut throat lawyer out into the media,to trash his wife for him.Kinda cowardly,but not dis-honest.

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RE: Is Giuliani just more of what we have now? - 11/2/2007 9:34:17 AM

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Rudy, Rudy, Rudy.... I'll be registering as a Republican (first time ever) so I can cast a meaningful vote for him in February. I've liked him since I saw his first inaugural address on C-Span. He strikes me as a man who can get things done, pragmatically if necessary.

I attended a fundraiser for him a few weeks back, wound up seated very close to the lectern, and was able to form a real impression of him. Smart guy. Charismatic. None of that creepy 'other' vibe so many politicians (current President definitely included) radiate.

And I think he's very right that you negotiate from strength.

Here's what I hear when Giuliana talks...

"Terrorism, terrorism terrorism. Terror, ism ter ror ism. Ter? Or ism? Ter! Or ism. Fear. Terrorism terrorism: ter ror ism. 9-11. I 9-11 fear terrrorism. Terrorists ter, or ism 9-11. Homeland security. Terrorism. Fear. 9-11. September 11, security, me, I money, security, me, fear, security, sacrifice, fear, my patriotism, fear terrorism. Contributions. 9-11. Family, fear, Homeland Security, 9-11."

The 9/11 thing works well with the scared assed,pussy neo-cons ,out in America.Like frightend children,they look to a protecter,to save them from the boogie-man.The farther away from NY you go,the more he`s liked.

Heard a good joke.Judy`s at the NRA meeting ,making his pathetic bit to win them over,when the now famous "call from the wife" comes in.

<ringgggg>
"hello?"Hi honey,<he-he>Can`t talk now,I`m addressing the NRA,lol,bla-bla,bla-bla,see ya later"<click>

Rudy turns to the NRA audience and as folksy as he can says,"That was my wife,she wanted me to stop at the 9/11,to pick up milk on the way home."

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RE: Is Giuliani just more of what we have now? - 11/2/2007 9:51:30 AM

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      Rudy, Rudy, Rudy....   I'll be registering as a Republican (first time ever) so I can cast a meaningful vote for him in February. I've liked him since I saw his first inaugural address on C-Span. He strikes me as a man who can get things done, pragmatically if necessary.

     I attended a fundraiser for him a few weeks back, wound up seated very close to the lectern, and was able to form a real impression of him. Smart guy. Charismatic. None of that creepy 'other' vibe so many politicians (current President definitely included) radiate.

     And I think he's very right that you negotiate from strength.

Really!? .....Cool!!..

Did he ask for checks made out for nine dollars and eleven cents?That was a classy move,wasn`t it?

How many times did he mention 9/11?

Did you make a fundraiser contribution,by writing one of those 9/11 checks out to him?

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RE: Is Giuliani just more of what we have now? - 11/2/2007 10:01:05 AM

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     Rudy, Rudy, Rudy....   I'll be registering as a Republican (first time ever) so I can cast a meaningful vote for him in February. I've liked him since I saw his first inaugural address on C-Span. He strikes me as a man who can get things done, pragmatically if necessary.

    I attended a fundraiser for him a few weeks back, wound up seated very close to the lectern, and was able to form a real impression of him. Smart guy. Charismatic. None of that creepy 'other' vibe so many politicians (current President definitely included) radiate.

    And I think he's very right that you negotiate from strength.

Here's what I hear when Giuliana talks...

"Terrorism, terrorism terrorism. Terror, ism ter ror ism. Ter? Or ism? Ter! Or ism. Fear. Terrorism terrorism: ter ror ism. 9-11. I 9-11 fear terrrorism. Terrorists ter, or ism 9-11. Homeland security. Terrorism. Fear. 9-11. September 11, security, me, I money, security, me, fear, security, sacrifice, fear, my patriotism, fear terrorism. Contributions. 9-11. Family, fear, Homeland Security, 9-11."

Well said!!

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RE: Is Giuliani just more of what we have now? - 11/2/2007 10:02:45 AM

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     Rudy, Rudy, Rudy....   I'll be registering as a Republican (first time ever) so I can cast a meaningful vote for him in February. I've liked him since I saw his first inaugural address on C-Span. He strikes me as a man who can get things done, pragmatically if necessary.

    I attended a fundraiser for him a few weeks back, wound up seated very close to the lectern, and was able to form a real impression of him. Smart guy. Charismatic. None of that creepy 'other' vibe so many politicians (current President definitely included) radiate.

    And I think he's very right that you negotiate from strength.

Really!? .....Cool!!..

Did he ask for checks made out for nine dollars and eleven cents?That was a classy move,wasn`t it?

How many times did he mention 9/11?

Did you make a fundraiser contribution,by writing one of those 9/11 checks out to him?

we should be sending the asshole a bill for $911.00 bucks to help pay for his part in the neocon war!!

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RE: Is Giuliani just more of what we have now? - 11/2/2007 2:42:16 PM

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I lived under him once already in NY

If I recall the crime statistics correctly, 'living' under Rudy Giuliani was a lot better than getting robbed/stabbed/raped under the previous few mayors.

I worked for the City when he was in. Trust me, living UNDER him was an understatement. The city workers were low man on every possible totem pole, ad it was aweful.
Crime went down. Sweet. Everything else went to hell, but it was a SAFE hell.

Sorry, no thanks.

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RE: Is Giuliani just more of what we have now? - 11/2/2007 8:34:03 PM

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I worked for the City when he was in. Trust me, living UNDER him was an understatement. The city workers were low man on every possible totem pole, ad it was aweful.

Yep. He chopped a bloated and lazy bureaucracy by 20% (even bought those shovels that stand up by themselves for the pothole crews, I hear). I'm sure it sucked, being reminded that you were a public SERVANT, not a demi-god in the land of overtime.

I happen to like that kind of thinking when it comes to how my trash gets picked up.

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RE: Is Giuliani just more of what we have now? - 11/3/2007 9:03:14 AM

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How many times did he mention 9/11?

Do you mean the terrorists war on us? Not as many times as Hillary has changed her position on Iraq.

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RE: Is Giuliani just more of what we have now? - 11/3/2007 3:46:17 PM

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How many times did he mention 9/11?

Do you mean the terrorists war on us? Not as many times as Hillary has changed her position on Iraq.

He thinks his illegally getting rid of the wtc steel is somehting to be proud of. I nominate him for the striped shirt award.

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RE: Is Giuliani just more of what we have now? - 11/3/2007 4:49:52 PM

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How many times did he mention 9/11?

Do you mean the terrorists war on us? Not as many times as Hillary has changed her position on Iraq.

Just to bring you up to speed,in case you`ve been missing it.

Rudy is running on not much more than 9/11,9/11,9/11.

Given his mixed reviews as Mayor,plus his major fuck-ups before,during,and after the WTC attacks,he`s a pretty lame prospect for president,or as the leader of the war on terror.

But exploiting that tragedy,and using it as a permanent photo opportunity,is all that Rudy really has.Luckily for him,he has a target audience who eats that ,"I`m a hero" bull-shit, right up.He`s going to work that ruse for all it`s worth.

As I`ve said before,I hope ,hope,hope that his wins the primary.He`ll get buried in the general election.The average voter is not as gullible and the average republican.

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RE: Is Giuliani just more of what we have now? - 11/3/2007 5:28:40 PM

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Rudy is running on not much more than 9/11,9/11,9/11.

Poppycock. Perhaps you should expand your source horizons. From his website:

12 Commitments

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RE: Is Giuliani just more of what we have now? - 11/3/2007 5:54:55 PM

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Rudy is running on not much more than 9/11,9/11,9/11.

Poppycock. Perhaps you should expand your source horizons. From his website:

12 Commitments

I will keep America on offense in the Terrorists’ War on Us.

I will end illegal immigration, secure our borders, and identify every non-citizen in our nation.

I will restore fiscal discipline and cut wasteful Washington spending.

I will cut taxes and reform the tax code.

I will impose accountability on Washington.

I will lead America towards energy independence.

I will give Americans more control over and access to health care with affordable and portable free-market solutions.

I will increase adoptions, decrease abortions, and protect the quality of life for our children.

I will reform the legal system and appoint strict constructionist judges.

I will ensure that every community in America is prepared for terrorist attacks and natural disasters.

I will provide access to a quality education to every child in America by giving real school choice to parents.

I will expand America's involvement in the global economy and strengthen our reputation around the world.

Yada ,yada,...yawn...

Remember my point, about his target audience.Maybe you`ve been on vacation,and haven`t seen him speaking much.FYI,he hangs 9/11 around his neck,and shamelessly exploits it.The kicker,is he really was a failure,on 9/11,before,during and after.

And, I truly(like kidding) want him as your candidate.Please god,make it so.Ron Paul is to good for ya!

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RE: Is Giuliani just more of what we have now? - 11/3/2007 5:58:45 PM

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